What makes 100 FOTF Warren Spahn Elite?

wblake10 · 02-18-2021, 04:31 PM

FOTF Warren Spahn sells for 250k+ quickly and easily on the auction house. What makes him so good? 90/75/80 S/M/C is certainly top tier, but with only one pitch over 65 I'm not sure why he's so elite.

100 Andy Pettite is 80/75/80, with 6 pitches (two over 70) and he only goes for about 60k.

100 Randy Johnson and FOTF David Price are both at 100/70/75... and go for less than half of Spahn. Is 10 points of control worth significantly less than 10 points spread across Movement/Control? Is this just scarcity of elite arms?

dkgo · 02-18-2021, 05:46 PM

Control is far more important than the other ratings in perfect team. Individual pitch ratings don't really mean anything (aside from the stuff boost if used as a reliever), they are already accounted for in the stuff rating.

You are also losing granularity with the 20-80 scale.

Spahn is 120/89/104
Pettite is 98/91/99

He is clearly better than Pettite and there is a premium on truly top tier cards. Spahn could have a role on basically every team while other guys you mentioned are pretty interchangable.

chazzycat · 02-18-2021, 06:41 PM

dkgo nailed it

wblake10 · 02-19-2021, 10:43 AM

Do you think this is a good set of stat weights for analysis?

Stuff: 20%
Movement: 20%
Control: 60%

This of course ignores team strategy/composition, LH/RH, stamina, defense, and pitch mix - but could be a helpful basis for quick comparison.

BigRed75 · 02-22-2021, 10:06 AM

Movement is definitely more important than stuff and should be weighted accordingly. The question is how much more important is control to movement?

dbqs · 02-22-2021, 01:38 PM

Yeah and it's also very dependent on your fielding, catcher, and park factors - there's definitely not a one-size-fits-all weighting for the stats.

wblake10 · 03-24-2021, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dbqs

Yeah and it's also very dependent on your fielding, catcher, and park factors - there's definitely not a one-size-fits-all weighting for the stats.

Thanks for the tips! Not sure you'll see this but if you do.. I'd love to get your thoughts on how a catcher plays into pitcher review/analysis. Is it that you want higher Catcher Ability if your SPs have less control, to avoid pass balls and wild pitches?

bailey · 03-25-2021, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wblake10

Thanks for the tips! Not sure you'll see this but if you do.. I'd love to get your thoughts on how a catcher plays into pitcher review/analysis. Is it that you want higher Catcher Ability if your SPs have less control, to avoid pass balls and wild pitches?

You always want high catcher ability. The 2 best are FotF Ivan Rodriguez and Campanella.

02-18-2021, 04:31 PM	#1
wblake10 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 38	What makes 100 FOTF Warren Spahn Elite? FOTF Warren Spahn sells for 250k+ quickly and easily on the auction house. What makes him so good? 90/75/80 S/M/C is certainly top tier, but with only one pitch over 65 I'm not sure why he's so elite. 100 Andy Pettite is 80/75/80, with 6 pitches (two over 70) and he only goes for about 60k. 100 Randy Johnson and FOTF David Price are both at 100/70/75... and go for less than half of Spahn. Is 10 points of control worth significantly less than 10 points spread across Movement/Control? Is this just scarcity of elite arms? __________________ PT22 - Morningside Heights Roars (FTP)

02-19-2021, 10:43 AM	#4
wblake10 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 38	Do you think this is a good set of stat weights for analysis? Stuff: 20% Movement: 20% Control: 60% This of course ignores team strategy/composition, LH/RH, stamina, defense, and pitch mix - but could be a helpful basis for quick comparison. __________________ PT22 - Morningside Heights Roars (FTP)

02-22-2021, 10:06 AM	#5
BigRed75 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,430	Movement is definitely more important than stuff and should be weighted accordingly. The question is how much more important is control to movement? __________________ Mainline team SPTT team Was not a Snag fan...until I saw the fallout once he was gone and realized what a good job he was actually doing. - Ty Cobb

02-22-2021, 01:38 PM	#6
dbqs Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Comiskey Posts: 316	Yeah and it's also very dependent on your fielding, catcher, and park factors - there's definitely not a one-size-fits-all weighting for the stats. __________________

02-18-2021, 05:46 PM	#2
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	Control is far more important than the other ratings in perfect team. Individual pitch ratings don't really mean anything (aside from the stuff boost if used as a reliever), they are already accounted for in the stuff rating. You are also losing granularity with the 20-80 scale. Spahn is 120/89/104 Pettite is 98/91/99 He is clearly better than Pettite and there is a premium on truly top tier cards. Spahn could have a role on basically every team while other guys you mentioned are pretty interchangable.

02-18-2021, 06:41 PM	#3
chazzycat All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,685	dkgo nailed it