New National Team Creation Viability

cedwards · 06-27-2022, 12:47 AM

Eddie here, with a bit of an odd question that will require some setup to explain.

Recently, in attempting to find new ways to spice up how I play and in part to experiment with interesting changes for a friend’s sim league, I discovered the countries’ “Quality Settings”, essentially the values that decide how good generated talent is from this specific country. I was intrigued and started messing with it. In the end, I decided every country with over a million people in its population (or 10 million in Asia and Africa) would receive the same attributes as the game gives to Switzerland, which I thought was a fairly stable country when it comes to producing hockey talent. To my utter delight, the sim started spitting out great players from all corners of the world, some genuinely generational in their talent level. Even more impressive was that this new generation was not at all taxing to my craptop I was running the experiment on.

Now, I immediately started thinking “well, if enough players from these teams develop, surely there’s gonna be enough talent for these countries to field a team!” But to my disappointment (and expectation), the game limits the teams to the handful represented in real life, and new teams required rinks to play in, so clearly there was a hard-locked limit to what countries can host teams.

So now, hooked as ever, I wondered “Well, if the game on its own is not gonna let me see these teams play, surely I could tweak some things to make it a reality.”.

So now I turn to y’all, and ask the more technologically-inclined members of the forum for their valued input at the possibility of creating the right conditions for these teams to sprout. Now, I enjoy breaking a game to its core, but I’m also doing this at the behest of a friend who is interested in the viability of a long-term save with this system, to perhaps make his own mini-gamemode out of it.

With that out of the way, the question is “What values does the game give to the IIHF teams that limit their ability to create their own national teams that can compete in events, and can they be edited in a way that the end result is at the very least stable, if not, can run reasonably and for a decent period of time?”

(If interested, I have some pictures of some drafts and a few notable players that were generated in testing, I am yet to test it on my rigged-up desktop to see if there really is something to this. Thanks for the help in advance!)

cedwards · 06-28-2022, 07:56 PM

Should probably provide some details to how this experiment was set up, so here goes.

Each team I edited (some at random, others with sound purpose) were edited to these specific hockey quality specifications.

Hockey Quality 1: 0.0001
Hockey Quality 2: 0.0000
Hockey Quality 3: 0.0000
Hockey Quality 4: 0.0000
Hockey Quality 5: 0.0000
Hockey Quality 6: 0.8757
Hockey Quality 7: 0.0777
Hockey Quality 8: 0.0420
Hockey Quality 9: 0.0042
Hockey Quality 10: 0.0003

The following countries were edited, they are organized by region.

Europe

England
Austria
Norway
Poland
Italy
Hungary
Scotland
Ukraine
Romania
Estonia
The Netherlands
Spain
Lithuania
Serbia
Belgium
Bulgaria
Turkey
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Armenia
Ireland
Portugal
Greece
Albania
Azerbaijan

North America

Mexico
Guatemala
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Haiti
Honduras
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Costa Rica
Puerto Rico
Panama
Jamaica
Trinidad & Tobago

Asia

China
India
Indonesia
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Japan
Philippines
Vietnam
Iran
Thailand
Myanmar
South Korea
Iraq
Afghanistan
Nepal
Malaysia
Saudi Arabia
Uzbekistan
North Korea
Yemen
Taiwan
Syria
Sri Lanka
Cambodia

Oceania

Australia
Papua New Guinea
New Zealand

Africa

Nigeria
Egypt
Ethiopia
DR Congo
South Africa
Tanzania
Kenya
Algeria
Uganda
Morocco
Sudan
Ghana
Mozambique
Ivory Coast
Congo
Tunisia

South America

Brazil
Columbia
Argentina
Peru
Venezuela
Chile
Ecuador
Bolivia
Paraguay
Uruguay

06-27-2022, 12:47 AM	#1
cedwards Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 6	New National Team Creation Viability Eddie here, with a bit of an odd question that will require some setup to explain. Recently, in attempting to find new ways to spice up how I play and in part to experiment with interesting changes for a friend’s sim league, I discovered the countries’ “Quality Settings”, essentially the values that decide how good generated talent is from this specific country. I was intrigued and started messing with it. In the end, I decided every country with over a million people in its population (or 10 million in Asia and Africa) would receive the same attributes as the game gives to Switzerland, which I thought was a fairly stable country when it comes to producing hockey talent. To my utter delight, the sim started spitting out great players from all corners of the world, some genuinely generational in their talent level. Even more impressive was that this new generation was not at all taxing to my craptop I was running the experiment on. Now, I immediately started thinking “well, if enough players from these teams develop, surely there’s gonna be enough talent for these countries to field a team!” But to my disappointment (and expectation), the game limits the teams to the handful represented in real life, and new teams required rinks to play in, so clearly there was a hard-locked limit to what countries can host teams. So now, hooked as ever, I wondered “Well, if the game on its own is not gonna let me see these teams play, surely I could tweak some things to make it a reality.”. So now I turn to y’all, and ask the more technologically-inclined members of the forum for their valued input at the possibility of creating the right conditions for these teams to sprout. Now, I enjoy breaking a game to its core, but I’m also doing this at the behest of a friend who is interested in the viability of a long-term save with this system, to perhaps make his own mini-gamemode out of it. With that out of the way, the question is “What values does the game give to the IIHF teams that limit their ability to create their own national teams that can compete in events, and can they be edited in a way that the end result is at the very least stable, if not, can run reasonably and for a decent period of time?” (If interested, I have some pictures of some drafts and a few notable players that were generated in testing, I am yet to test it on my rigged-up desktop to see if there really is something to this. Thanks for the help in advance!) Last edited by cedwards; 06-27-2022 at 12:49 AM. Reason: Â after every apostrophe for whatever reason

06-28-2022, 07:56 PM	#2
cedwards Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 6	Should probably provide some details to how this experiment was set up, so here goes. Each team I edited (some at random, others with sound purpose) were edited to these specific hockey quality specifications. Hockey Quality 1: 0.0001 Hockey Quality 2: 0.0000 Hockey Quality 3: 0.0000 Hockey Quality 4: 0.0000 Hockey Quality 5: 0.0000 Hockey Quality 6: 0.8757 Hockey Quality 7: 0.0777 Hockey Quality 8: 0.0420 Hockey Quality 9: 0.0042 Hockey Quality 10: 0.0003 The following countries were edited, they are organized by region. *Europe* England Austria Norway Poland Italy Hungary Scotland Ukraine Romania Estonia The Netherlands Spain Lithuania Serbia Belgium Bulgaria Turkey Bosnia & Herzegovina Armenia Ireland Portugal Greece Albania Azerbaijan *North America* Mexico Guatemala Cuba Dominican Republic Haiti Honduras El Salvador Nicaragua Costa Rica Puerto Rico Panama Jamaica Trinidad & Tobago *Asia* China India Indonesia Pakistan Bangladesh Japan Philippines Vietnam Iran Thailand Myanmar South Korea Iraq Afghanistan Nepal Malaysia Saudi Arabia Uzbekistan North Korea Yemen Taiwan Syria Sri Lanka Cambodia *Oceania* Australia Papua New Guinea New Zealand *Africa* Nigeria Egypt Ethiopia DR Congo South Africa Tanzania Kenya Algeria Uganda Morocco Sudan Ghana Mozambique Ivory Coast Congo Tunisia *South America* Brazil Columbia Argentina Peru Venezuela Chile Ecuador Bolivia Paraguay Uruguay