1961

David Watts · 12-11-2022, 02:09 PM

Still have my random debut going, but I've decided to give a real lineups/transactions 1961 replay a go as well. Want to see how close Maris and Mantle come to 61. Can the Tigers win the AL?

Watching a Braves vs Cubs game right now. Bob Buhl is on the mound for the Braves. My dad went to high school with Buhl at Saginaw High, the same school Draymond Green would later attend.

David Watts · 12-11-2022, 02:15 PM

Well Buhl dropped a egg in this one. He walked 5, giving up 6 runs and left the game with zero out in the 4th. The big blow was a grand slam by Cub's pitcher Bob Anderson. Ugh!

David Watts · 12-11-2022, 02:55 PM

The Yankees drill the Kansas City Athletics 12-3. Roger Maris goes 3-3 with 2 home runs and 4 RBI. Maris and Elston Howard went back to back in the 2nd inning. Clete Boyer add a grand slam in the 4th. The Yankees are now 1-1.

Brad K · 12-11-2022, 05:44 PM

Could you check and see what it shows for Pittsburgh's market size? Thank you!

David Watts · 12-12-2022, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

Could you check and see what it shows for Pittsburgh's market size? Thank you!

I will check. Thing is, this is real lineups/real transactions, so I don't know how much of the financial side of the game is even active.

Brad K · 12-12-2022, 09:13 AM

Its not.

Pelican · 12-12-2022, 10:46 AM

Let me know if the Phillies lose 23 in a row, as IRL.

I am slowly playing a 1960 season forward sim, where the Phils don’t give up on Robin Roberts or Curt Simmons or Don Cardwell or Jack Sanford, still acquire Johnny Callison and Tony Gonzalez and Tony Taylor, let “Pancho” Herrera and Tony Curry play. Hindsight is 20/20. IRL they tanked when tanking made no sense, and only expansion saved them.

This might be my favorite era, before expansion diluted the product, heyday of M&M and Banks and Mays and Aaron.

David Watts · 12-13-2022, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

Its not.

Markets aren't listed

David Watts · 12-13-2022, 08:22 AM

The Yankees are now 1-2 on the season after losing to the Athletics 6-5. Whitey Ford looked awful on the mound. Mickey Mantle hit his first home run of the season and Maris hit his 3rd.

David Watts · 12-14-2022, 04:10 PM

So Maris hit another home run and now has 4 after 6 games.

Brad K · 12-14-2022, 08:25 PM

Curious about Mari's ratings, the statistics portion.

David Watts · 12-15-2022, 09:10 PM

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curious about mari's ratings, the statistics portion.

Brad K · 12-15-2022, 10:50 PM

What's it show for his BA and HRs etc in the editor section?

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Brad K · 12-16-2022, 07:00 PM

Thanks for the info

Maris HR per AB 0.1033 historical
Maris HR per AB 0.0790 OOTP rating

Mantle HR per AB 0.1050 historical
Mantle HR per AB 0.0909 OOP rating

BaseballMan · 12-19-2022, 06:48 PM

If the Yankees make it to the series i would like to know how Maris does.
I just completed 1961 using real lineups and historical transactions.
Maris only hit 48hrs but hardly played in the series.
The game seemed to want to use him as a backup to mantle instead of putting him in right field.
I do use historical managers but its name only.
I let the computer handle roster lineups and pitching staff.

Denville Dog · 12-20-2022, 09:03 AM

Just curious - who did the AI use in the outfield in place of Maris?

BaseballMan · 12-20-2022, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Denville Dog

Just curious - who did the AI use in the outfield in place of Maris?

Hector Lopez.
I think i figured out what happened.
In the real 1961 season Mantle had that injury at the end of the season and played very little in the world series.
Maris played cf during Mantle's injury.
So the game replicates that but the problem is it doesn't seem to have Mantle injured as much as he was in real life.
So the game thinks Mantle is healthy enough to play full time and well now Maris's position had changed to cf at the end of the season.
So now he's stuck as the backup to Mantle.
I edited Maris back to RF and now the computer keeps Maris in the lineup at RF.

Denville Dog · 12-20-2022, 07:03 PM

That's interesting - I see that Mantle did not start in the regular season after the game on September 26th and he did not start the first two games of the world series (October 4th and 5th). But he did start games 3 and 4 (October 7th and 8th), leaving mid-game for a pinch runner in game 4. Did not start game 5.

I assume that "real lineups" do not carry over into post season play based on what you are describing.

BaseballMan · 12-20-2022, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Denville Dog

That's interesting - I see that Mantle did not start in the regular season after the game on September 26th and he did not start the first two games of the world series (October 4th and 5th). But he did start games 3 and 4 (October 7th and 8th), leaving mid-game for a pinch runner in game 4. Did not start game 5.

I assume that "real lineups" do not carry over into post season play based on what you are describing.

Makes sense since you cant have real lineups if you don't have real games.
At that point its just predicted lineups.
The bigger problem is Maris staying at CF.
I think either Mantle's historical injury should have affected him more in the game or else Maris should have automatically moved back to RF.

12-11-2022, 02:09 PM	#1
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,616 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	1961 Still have my random debut going, but I've decided to give a real lineups/transactions 1961 replay a go as well. Want to see how close Maris and Mantle come to 61. Can the Tigers win the AL? Watching a Braves vs Cubs game right now. Bob Buhl is on the mound for the Braves. My dad went to high school with Buhl at Saginaw High, the same school Draymond Green would later attend.

12-11-2022, 05:44 PM	#4
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,658 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Could you check and see what it shows for Pittsburgh's market size? Thank you! __________________ . Pirates Play Moneyball 1951-2008 Ratings and League Totals Modifiers A new pre-calc file! (Applause!) Settings and Auto-calc Popular Opinions and Undisputable Facts The cover up is usually more damaging than the original act.

12-12-2022, 09:13 AM	#6
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,658 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Its not. __________________ . Pirates Play Moneyball 1951-2008 Ratings and League Totals Modifiers A new pre-calc file! (Applause!) Settings and Auto-calc Popular Opinions and Undisputable Facts The cover up is usually more damaging than the original act.

12-12-2022, 10:46 AM	#7
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,885	Let me know if the Phillies lose 23 in a row, as IRL. I am slowly playing a 1960 season forward sim, where the Phils don’t give up on Robin Roberts or Curt Simmons or Don Cardwell or Jack Sanford, still acquire Johnny Callison and Tony Gonzalez and Tony Taylor, let “Pancho” Herrera and Tony Curry play. Hindsight is 20/20. IRL they tanked when tanking made no sense, and only expansion saved them. This might be my favorite era, before expansion diluted the product, heyday of M&M and Banks and Mays and Aaron. __________________ Pelican OOTP 2020-? ”Hard to believe, Harry.”

12-14-2022, 08:25 PM	#11
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,658 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Curious about Mari's ratings, the statistics portion. __________________ . Pirates Play Moneyball 1951-2008 Ratings and League Totals Modifiers A new pre-calc file! (Applause!) Settings and Auto-calc Popular Opinions and Undisputable Facts The cover up is usually more damaging than the original act.

12-11-2022, 02:15 PM	#2
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,616 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Well Buhl dropped a egg in this one. He walked 5, giving up 6 runs and left the game with zero out in the 4th. The big blow was a grand slam by Cub's pitcher Bob Anderson. Ugh!

12-11-2022, 02:55 PM	#3
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,616 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	The Yankees drill the Kansas City Athletics 12-3. Roger Maris goes 3-3 with 2 home runs and 4 RBI. Maris and Elston Howard went back to back in the 2nd inning. Clete Boyer add a grand slam in the 4th. The Yankees are now 1-1.

12-13-2022, 08:22 AM	#9
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,616 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	The Yankees are now 1-2 on the season after losing to the Athletics 6-5. Whitey Ford looked awful on the mound. Mickey Mantle hit his first home run of the season and Maris hit his 3rd.

12-14-2022, 04:10 PM	#10
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,616 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	So Maris hit another home run and now has 4 after 6 games.

12-15-2022, 10:50 PM	#13
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,658 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	What's it show for his BA and HRs etc in the editor section? __________________ . Pirates Play Moneyball 1951-2008 Ratings and League Totals Modifiers A new pre-calc file! (Applause!) Settings and Auto-calc Popular Opinions and Undisputable Facts The cover up is usually more damaging than the original act.

12-16-2022, 06:05 PM	#14
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,616 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	[attach][/attach] Attached Images

12-16-2022, 07:00 PM	#15
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,658 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Thanks for the info Maris HR per AB 0.1033 historical Maris HR per AB 0.0790 OOTP rating Mantle HR per AB 0.1050 historical Mantle HR per AB 0.0909 OOP rating __________________ . Pirates Play Moneyball 1951-2008 Ratings and League Totals Modifiers A new pre-calc file! (Applause!) Settings and Auto-calc Popular Opinions and Undisputable Facts The cover up is usually more damaging than the original act.

12-19-2022, 06:48 PM	#16
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,484	If the Yankees make it to the series i would like to know how Maris does. I just completed 1961 using real lineups and historical transactions. Maris only hit 48hrs but hardly played in the series. The game seemed to want to use him as a backup to mantle instead of putting him in right field. I do use historical managers but its name only. I let the computer handle roster lineups and pitching staff.

12-20-2022, 09:03 AM	#17
Denville Dog Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Denville NJ Posts: 26	1961 Yankee World Series Just curious - who did the AI use in the outfield in place of Maris?

12-20-2022, 07:03 PM	#19
Denville Dog Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Denville NJ Posts: 26	That's interesting - I see that Mantle did not start in the regular season after the game on September 26th and he did not start the first two games of the world series (October 4th and 5th). But he did start games 3 and 4 (October 7th and 8th), leaving mid-game for a pinch runner in game 4. Did not start game 5. I assume that "real lineups" do not carry over into post season play based on what you are describing.