DH & SP Ohtani

banditelvis721 · 03-23-2023, 06:05 PM

If i have a major league mgr managing my team, i set the lineups, but when the game is about to start the mgr takes ohtani out of the dh spot when is starting how can i stop this???
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perry

Joschua · 03-23-2023, 10:28 PM

That happened to me as well, although I play as gm and manager. It seems like two-way-players can't pitch and hit in the same game.
I guess it's just a mistake and can be fixed with the new update?!

Matt Arnold · 03-23-2023, 10:37 PM

If you set them as a two-way player in the strategy settings, there's an option there to skip DH on days they pitch. Then when you go to play (or when the games sim), they will be in the lineup. Also note there's a league option to have them remain as DH after they exit as SP in those situations as a league option that's on by default for the modern game.

Joschua · 03-23-2023, 10:46 PM

oh thanks, I didn't notice that setting before

banditelvis721 · 03-24-2023, 09:41 AM

you are the best thank you!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

If you set them as a two-way player in the strategy settings, there's an option there to skip DH on days they pitch. Then when you go to play (or when the games sim), they will be in the lineup. Also note there's a league option to have them remain as DH after they exit as SP in those situations as a league option that's on by default for the modern game.

MikeS369 · 03-24-2023, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

If you set them as a two-way player in the strategy settings, there's an option there to skip DH on days they pitch. Then when you go to play (or when the games sim), they will be in the lineup. Also note there's a league option to have them remain as DH after they exit as SP in those situations as a league option that's on by default for the modern game.

Does the "remain as DH after they exit as SP" work in this version? It did not work in 23 for me.

Matt Arnold · 03-24-2023, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeS369

Does the "remain as DH after they exit as SP" work in this version? It did not work in 23 for me.

It should have worked then. They will switch to a DH as soon as someone else takes over pitching for them, there should be no other actions needed.

banditelvis721 · 03-24-2023, 10:39 AM

great question it does work!!

MikeS369 · 03-24-2023, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

It should have worked then. They will switch to a DH as soon as someone else takes over pitching for them, there should be no other actions needed.

I have both the "two way player" and "remain as dh when replaced as pitcher" options both selected and it does not work. If I bring in a reliever, Ohtani would be removed as DH and the pitcher slotted in as dh. I did find a convoluted way to make it work.

So I take it that this feature has not been tweaked.

Matt Arnold · 03-24-2023, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeS369

I have both the "two way player" and "remain as dh when replaced as pitcher" options both selected and it does not work. If I bring in a reliever, Ohtani would be removed as DH and the pitcher slotted in as dh. I did find a convoluted way to make it work.

So I take it that this feature has not been tweaked.

What are you using to replace him? I know there's a few spots that you can change pitchers. I just tried and it worked when I inserted the new reliever through the bullpen widget. But maybe there's some other set of actions you're taking that are causing it to fail to replace properly?

MikeS369 · 03-24-2023, 02:40 PM

I don't think I was using the warmup rule. But maybe you do have to drag the reliever to the bullpen before inserting. I'm going to go try that.

Here is the first issue I run into. As you can see Ohtani is the scheduled SP for the upcoming game and is also the DH in the daily lineups for the upcoming game.

Matt Arnold · 03-24-2023, 02:51 PM

Yeah, I think if you drag him to the lineup spot, it might not work. But if you drag the new reliever to the pitcher slot, then it should work. We can probably look to warn or prevent you doing the other one.

MikeS369 · 03-24-2023, 03:22 PM

It is impossible for me to add Ohtani or anyone else to the DH spot. Even when I change the pitcher.

Matt Arnold · 03-24-2023, 03:25 PM

You need to make sure he is set as a 2-way player in strategy, and also set to not use a DH when he pitches (both can be set in strategy). He should show up in your rotation with (DH) if that is set, and then when you are on the game page, should show up as the P for the game.

MikeS369 · 03-24-2023, 04:06 PM

The only way to get Ohtani to appear in the preview page and lineup page as DH is to leave the game. Go to the Organization page and then Pitcher tab and select a different SP. When I restart the game he is shown on both the preview and lineup page. But of course he is not listed as the SP.

When I place Ohtani back in the pitchers slot he still appears in the lineup but is now listed as having no position. But I can now select DH for him.

When I play the game and replace Ohtani with a RP he will stay in as DH.

MikeS369 · 03-24-2023, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

You need to make sure he is set as a 2-way player in strategy, and also set to not use a DH when he pitches (both can be set in strategy). He should show up in your rotation with (DH) if that is set, and then when you are on the game page, should show up as the P for the game.

Why would I select to not use as DH when he pitches? I want him to DH when he pitches.

Hold on. I think I understand now. The "not use a DH" means don't us another player as DH. That is confusing.

Doesn't work.

tcblcommish · 03-24-2023, 04:58 PM

Strange that you are having an issue with this. I've been playing a fictional league and never changed any settings and it works just fine. I will say that when when I change pitchers, I put him in the spot near the bottom middle not in the line up. I always look at the left side where the line up is listed as to insert pinch hitters.

Hope this gets cleared up, im sure it's some kind of setting.

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MikeS369 · 03-24-2023, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tcblcommish

Strange that you are having an issue with this. I've been playing a fictional league and never changed any settings and it works just fine. I will say that when when I change pitchers, I put him in the spot near the bottom middle not in the line up. I always look at the left side where the line up is listed as to insert pinch hitters.

Hope this gets cleared up, im sure it's some kind of setting.

Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk

That's what I do. Dont know why it happens. This was on a new Standard Game to test what Matt was saying. The only setting I changed was the do not have DH when pitching. But I tried the setting enabled and disabled and when I changed the setting I even exited the game and restarted.

Silkman65 · 04-17-2023, 10:02 AM

I have been experiencing the same issue since I traded for Ohtani at the start of the 2023 season. (Thanks to kq76 for highlighting this thread already running.) Here goes.

Looking at the screen shots in previous posts I saw a similarity with my own set up. I think the reason why some of us have a problem and others do not depends on whether you have imported an earlier version of the game into OOTP24. I have been running my game for a few years and in those days Ohtani occasionally played RF (as well as DH). The simulation does not seem to be able to cope with a 2-way player who can also play a position. This is what I did to solve the problem.

1) Enable the 'SP can remain as DH when removed' in Game settings/Rules.
2) Make sure Ohtani is set as a 2-way player and check 'Skip DH when pitching' in his personal game strategy page.
3) In the player editor for Ohtani, make sure his experience for any outfield position is 0. This will mean he is now listed as a DH (rather than, say RF.)
4) I use 'Daily Lineups' (play each game, each ball) so place Ohtani in the batting lineup as DH but leave the SP blank (the game will pick Ohtani up as the pitcher from your starting rotation).
5) When you start the game, Ohtani should now be your SP and DH.
6) When you want to take Ohtani out as SP, use the Bullpen widget on the main screen (stadium view) to replace him with an RP. Ohtani will stay on the batting lineup and his position will change to DH.

This worked for me.

It may be possible to do things differently at steps 4 to 6 (above) but steps 1 to 3 are vital. I will play around with this the next time his spot in the rotation comes up.

This does mean that unless the programming can be changed to overcome this issue, Ohtani cannot play in the outfield (not that he really does anymore, to be fair.)

crowhop · 04-17-2023, 02:05 PM

What about using Ohtani, or any other two-way guy, as a Reliver and DH? I want to bring him in as the Follower and I cannot get him into the game to pitch at all. As it is currently set, a two-way player is either a SP or nothing. Am I missing something here?

03-23-2023, 06:05 PM	#1
banditelvis721 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2022 Posts: 108	DH & SP Ohtani If i have a major league mgr managing my team, i set the lineups, but when the game is about to start the mgr takes ohtani out of the dh spot when is starting how can i stop this??? ty perry

03-24-2023, 02:40 PM	#11
MikeS369 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: USA Posts: 649	I don't think I was using the warmup rule. But maybe you do have to drag the reliever to the bullpen before inserting. I'm going to go try that. Here is the first issue I run into. As you can see Ohtani is the scheduled SP for the upcoming game and is also the DH in the daily lineups for the upcoming game. Attached Images Last edited by MikeS369; 03-24-2023 at 03:20 PM.

03-24-2023, 03:22 PM	#13
MikeS369 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: USA Posts: 649	It is impossible for me to add Ohtani or anyone else to the DH spot. Even when I change the pitcher. Attached Images

03-24-2023, 04:06 PM	#15
MikeS369 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: USA Posts: 649	The only way to get Ohtani to appear in the preview page and lineup page as DH is to leave the game. Go to the Organization page and then Pitcher tab and select a different SP. When I restart the game he is shown on both the preview and lineup page. But of course he is not listed as the SP. When I place Ohtani back in the pitchers slot he still appears in the lineup but is now listed as having no position. But I can now select DH for him. When I play the game and replace Ohtani with a RP he will stay in as DH. Attached Images

03-23-2023, 10:28 PM	#2
Joschua Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Germany Posts: 4	That happened to me as well, although I play as gm and manager. It seems like two-way-players can't pitch and hit in the same game. I guess it's just a mistake and can be fixed with the new update?!

03-23-2023, 10:37 PM	#3
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,463	If you set them as a two-way player in the strategy settings, there's an option there to skip DH on days they pitch. Then when you go to play (or when the games sim), they will be in the lineup. Also note there's a league option to have them remain as DH after they exit as SP in those situations as a league option that's on by default for the modern game.

03-23-2023, 10:46 PM	#4
Joschua Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Germany Posts: 4	oh thanks, I didn't notice that setting before

03-24-2023, 10:39 AM	#8
banditelvis721 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2022 Posts: 108	great question it does work!!

03-24-2023, 02:51 PM	#12
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,463	Yeah, I think if you drag him to the lineup spot, it might not work. But if you drag the new reliever to the pitcher slot, then it should work. We can probably look to warn or prevent you doing the other one.

03-24-2023, 03:25 PM	#14
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,463	You need to make sure he is set as a 2-way player in strategy, and also set to not use a DH when he pitches (both can be set in strategy). He should show up in your rotation with (DH) if that is set, and then when you are on the game page, should show up as the P for the game.

03-24-2023, 04:58 PM	#17
tcblcommish Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,437	Strange that you are having an issue with this. I've been playing a fictional league and never changed any settings and it works just fine. I will say that when when I change pitchers, I put him in the spot near the bottom middle not in the line up. I always look at the left side where the line up is listed as to insert pinch hitters. Hope this gets cleared up, im sure it's some kind of setting. Sent from my SM-G998W using Tapatalk

04-17-2023, 10:02 AM	#19
Silkman65 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2023 Posts: 4	I have been experiencing the same issue since I traded for Ohtani at the start of the 2023 season. (Thanks to kq76 for highlighting this thread already running.) Here goes. Looking at the screen shots in previous posts I saw a similarity with my own set up. I think the reason why some of us have a problem and others do not depends on whether you have imported an earlier version of the game into OOTP24. I have been running my game for a few years and in those days Ohtani occasionally played RF (as well as DH). The simulation does not seem to be able to cope with a 2-way player who can also play a position. This is what I did to solve the problem. 1) Enable the 'SP can remain as DH when removed' in Game settings/Rules. 2) Make sure Ohtani is set as a 2-way player and check 'Skip DH when pitching' in his personal game strategy page. 3) In the player editor for Ohtani, make sure his experience for any outfield position is 0. This will mean he is now listed as a DH (rather than, say RF.) 4) I use 'Daily Lineups' (play each game, each ball) so place Ohtani in the batting lineup as DH but leave the SP blank (the game will pick Ohtani up as the pitcher from your starting rotation). 5) When you start the game, Ohtani should now be your SP and DH. 6) When you want to take Ohtani out as SP, use the Bullpen widget on the main screen (stadium view) to replace him with an RP. Ohtani will stay on the batting lineup and his position will change to DH. This worked for me. It may be possible to do things differently at steps 4 to 6 (above) but steps 1 to 3 are vital. I will play around with this the next time his spot in the rotation comes up. This does mean that unless the programming can be changed to overcome this issue, Ohtani cannot play in the outfield (not that he really does anymore, to be fair.)

04-17-2023, 02:05 PM	#20
crowhop Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 214	What about using Ohtani, or any other two-way guy, as a Reliver and DH? I want to bring him in as the Follower and I cannot get him into the game to pitch at all. As it is currently set, a two-way player is either a SP or nothing. Am I missing something here?