NeL Ratings Import Issue

congokurtz · 03-20-2024, 06:28 PM

I posted this problem on the thread in the bugs report forum about the NeL players ratings being off, but thought it might have got lost in there which is why I'm making a new thread about it. I apologize if you've already read it.

"Another problem I'm having with NeL player ratings, which is a problem I had on OOTP 24 as well, is there is a difference with how the player ratings get imported on a season that starts a new game and the season that carries over from a saved game. So for instance, if I start a game in 1920, minor leagues on, one year recal, double weighted, all development features off, scouting off, zero on all adjustment hitter/pitcher settings, the player ratings are what I believe the developers currently intended. But when I start a season in 1919 with the same settings, and the game carries over to 1920 there is huge drop in ratings. So in the case of one player, Oscar Charleston's rating on a 80/20 scale when starting a game in 1920 gets imported at 65/50/70/55, but when starting a game in 1919 that carries over to 1920, Charleston's 1920 ratings get imported at 25/35/45/40. And this is the case with all players that aren't first season players.

Any idea why there would be different ratings imported for a start season compared to carry over season despite all the settings being exactly the same?

Lukas Berger · 03-21-2024, 06:27 AM

No, that's very odd. We'll try to see if we can recreate this. It might help if you were able to upload/post a league where it's definitely happening.

congokurtz · 03-21-2024, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

No, that's very odd. We'll try to see if we can recreate this. It might help if you were able to upload/post a league where it's definitely happening.

If it makes any difference I’m on a Mac running os 12.1

I’ve run several test and it happens with those settings I’ve mentioned in the post every time. Let me know if you can replicate. If you can’t I’ll upload a league.

congokurtz · 03-27-2024, 03:05 AM

Just letting you know that the import ratings problem w NeL players is still occurring after the latest update.

Let me know if you have been able to replicate the problem.

I was able run some more test using OOTP 25 on a PC running Windows 11 and the same problems occurred. So it doesn't seem isolated to a Mac, so I would think you should be able to replicate the problem

sprague · 03-27-2024, 05:33 AM

What I am seeing is that negro players when the come in on a season import have "realistic" actual values, but low potential values, but if you import that player on his own, he comes in with "realistic" potential values by low actual values.

Tur. Stearns is an example
Here is 1930 as he comes up when loading a 1930 game. Correct actual, low potential (as I have peak seasons of career for potential)
But here me pulling him up for 1928 (a star season for him) but he comes in with abysmal ratings, but his potential is what i would expect it to be.
And then his import for 1924 where both values seem poor

The pitchers look much better, but I would assume the same issue is hurting them somewhat

thehef · 03-27-2024, 05:48 AM

I'm wondering if this issue is unique to Negro Leagues, or if - since NeLg's in OOTP are part of the minors - this issue applies to all minor leagues, too...

Lukas Berger · 03-27-2024, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by congokurtz

Just letting you know that the import ratings problem w NeL players is still occurring after the latest update.

Let me know if you have been able to replicate the problem.

I was able run some more test using OOTP 25 on a PC running Windows 11 and the same problems occurred. So it doesn't seem isolated to a Mac, so I would think you should be able to replicate the problem

These are definitely changed here. Can you go to settings > troubleshooting > force reinstall game data and hit that to make sure that the new db has been installed correctly for you?

EDIT: Or is what you're seeing more what sprague describes with individual player imports, rather than importing the league as a whole in historical mode?

congokurtz · 03-27-2024, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

These are definitely changed here. Can you go to settings > troubleshooting > force reinstall game data and hit that to make sure that the new db has been installed correctly for you?

EDIT: Or is what you're seeing more what sprague describes with individual player imports, rather than importing the league as a whole in historical mode?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

These are definitely changed here. Can you go to settings > troubleshooting > force reinstall game data and hit that to make sure that the new db has been installed correctly for you?

EDIT: Or is what you're seeing more what sprague describes with individual player imports, rather than importing the league as a whole in historical mode?

I tried the reinstall game data and still have the issue. So just to be clear, when you start a historical sim in 1919 with minor leagues on, 1 year recal and no development and run the sim to 1920, the NeL ratings for 1920 aren't being imported at a much lower rating compared to if you were to start a sim in 1920 with the same settings? So Oscar Charleston's 1920 ratings is the same when you start a sim in 1919 as when you start a sim in 1920?

And I have seen what Sprague describes in ootp24 but have not tried the individual player import yet in 25.

Also, I've tried slightly different settings with still similar results. Such as 3 or 5 year recal, double weighted on and off. When the 1919 season get rolled over to 1920 the NeL players ratings are way off

Lukas Berger · 03-28-2024, 06:07 AM

Yes, these are exactly the same for me on the initial import and on simming to a season.

Well, not exactly the same because they're off by one point in a couple spots, but that's just a rounding thing on import I assume, and one point is pretty irrelevant on a scale that goes up to 550.

I actually picked 1921, not 1920, but Charleston's ratings are identical on creating a league in 1921, and simming up to 1921 from a league created in 1920.

congokurtz · 03-28-2024, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Yes, these are exactly the same for me on the initial import and on simming to a season.

Well, not exactly the same because they're off by one point in a couple spots, but that's just a rounding thing on import I assume, and one point is pretty irrelevant on a scale that goes up to 550.

I actually picked 1921, not 1920, but Charleston's ratings are identical on creating a league in 1921, and simming up to 1921 from a league created in 1920.

That’s good to know. For a while there I thought I was the only one experiencing this. Any idea as to why it’s happening?

And yes, I too have noticed that when starting in 1920, when you roll over to the next seasons the ratings seem ok. I know that in ootp24 , regardless of what year the sim started, when you ran the sim to the next year the ratings were way down compared to if you started a sim on that season. I’ll run some more test on 25 to see if this upholds throughout the NeL years

03-20-2024, 06:28 PM	#1
congokurtz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 166	NeL Ratings Import Issue I posted this problem on the thread in the bugs report forum about the NeL players ratings being off, but thought it might have got lost in there which is why I'm making a new thread about it. I apologize if you've already read it. "Another problem I'm having with NeL player ratings, which is a problem I had on OOTP 24 as well, is there is a difference with how the player ratings get imported on a season that starts a new game and the season that carries over from a saved game. So for instance, if I start a game in 1920, minor leagues on, one year recal, double weighted, all development features off, scouting off, zero on all adjustment hitter/pitcher settings, the player ratings are what I believe the developers currently intended. But when I start a season in 1919 with the same settings, and the game carries over to 1920 there is huge drop in ratings. So in the case of one player, Oscar Charleston's rating on a 80/20 scale when starting a game in 1920 gets imported at 65/50/70/55, but when starting a game in 1919 that carries over to 1920, Charleston's 1920 ratings get imported at 25/35/45/40. And this is the case with all players that aren't first season players. Any idea why there would be different ratings imported for a start season compared to carry over season despite all the settings being exactly the same?

03-21-2024, 06:27 AM	#2
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,359	No, that's very odd. We'll try to see if we can recreate this. It might help if you were able to upload/post a league where it's definitely happening. __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com PreOrder Out of the Park Baseball 26! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

03-27-2024, 05:33 AM	#5
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,947	What I am seeing is that negro players when the come in on a season import have "realistic" actual values, but low potential values, but if you import that player on his own, he comes in with "realistic" potential values by low actual values. Tur. Stearns is an example Here is 1930 as he comes up when loading a 1930 game. Correct actual, low potential (as I have peak seasons of career for potential) But here me pulling him up for 1928 (a star season for him) but he comes in with abysmal ratings, but his potential is what i would expect it to be. And then his import for 1924 where both values seem poor The pitchers look much better, but I would assume the same issue is hurting them somewhat Attached Images

03-28-2024, 06:07 AM	#9
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,359	Yes, these are exactly the same for me on the initial import and on simming to a season. Well, not exactly the same because they're off by one point in a couple spots, but that's just a rounding thing on import I assume, and one point is pretty irrelevant on a scale that goes up to 550. I actually picked 1921, not 1920, but Charleston's ratings are identical on creating a league in 1921, and simming up to 1921 from a league created in 1920. __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com PreOrder Out of the Park Baseball 26! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

03-27-2024, 03:05 AM	#4
congokurtz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 166	Just letting you know that the import ratings problem w NeL players is still occurring after the latest update. Let me know if you have been able to replicate the problem. I was able run some more test using OOTP 25 on a PC running Windows 11 and the same problems occurred. So it doesn't seem isolated to a Mac, so I would think you should be able to replicate the problem

03-27-2024, 05:48 AM	#6
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	I'm wondering if this issue is unique to Negro Leagues, or if - since NeLg's in OOTP are part of the minors - this issue applies to all minor leagues, too...