Is there a solution I'm missing

David Watts · 03-28-2024, 11:11 AM

I watch games play out using the 3D classic screen.

I'm having trouble with the Facegen Strobe blink with OOTP25 and it's different from past versions. What I'm talking about is, when I start a game, the first time through the lineup for both teams, the whole screen blinks with each new batter. I assume it's creating the facegen for each player. Now in the past, I could simply run update facegens prior to each season and the flash problem would go away. This year, I run update and it works for that session of game play, but if I close the game out for the night and start play the next morning, I'm back to the strobe screen experience. I haven't ever used away uniforms, as I've never been able to get rid of the strobe blink if they are enabled.. This has me contemplating not using facegen altogether. Thing is, I wonder if it's the facegens themselves or if its the game searching for the historical facegen. Just don't know? Hoping I'm missing something simple.

Bluenoser · 03-28-2024, 11:22 AM

Not sure if this would make a difference or not, but I'll throw it out there.

What do you have this set at?
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LansdowneSt · 03-28-2024, 11:26 AM

That's odd.

Typically, the game generates/loads a facegen only the first time it needs to and thereafter it sits in a local cache. That's why if you swap the .fg file for a historical player, for example, it won't know it unless you proactively auto-refresh the face (en mass or just for that player via the player editor). It could be the uniforms too - anything loaded.

Nothing different this year about the fg files or how they are loaded in the game (that I am aware of, and I think I'd know as I track all that stuff).

If you created a fictional game, would there be an issue? No historical fg or uni to load? What if that fictional game included one current MLB player (with an fg file) imported into it so that you could compare one with an fg file to load versus others in the line-up that had only ficitonals?

David Watts · 03-28-2024, 11:29 AM

I will have to check when I get home. I think the blink is being caused by the game creating the facegen. Once each teams entire lineup has hit the flashing will stop, until a relief pitcher enters or a pinch hitter. Oh, and when I'm watching an entire series, it won't do the flash after the first game, unless someone new is in lineup.

Lukas Berger · 03-28-2024, 11:54 AM

This sounds more like an OpenGL issue than anything. Have you updated your vide card drivers recently?

David Watts · 03-28-2024, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

That's odd.

Typically, the game generates/loads a facegen only the first time it needs to and thereafter it sits in a local cache. That's why if you swap the .fg file for a historical player, for example, it won't know it unless you proactively auto-refresh the face (en mass or just for that player via the player editor). It could be the uniforms too - anything loaded.

Nothing different this year about the fg files or how they are loaded in the game (that I am aware of, and I think I'd know as I track all that stuff).

If you created a fictional game, would there be an issue? No historical fg or uni to load? What if that fictional game included one current MLB player (with an fg file) imported into it so that you could compare one with an fg file to load versus others in the line-up that had only ficitonals?

I have a fictional game I created the the other day. Have only played a handful of games. I will try it again tonight and see if it does the flash deal.

David Watts · 03-28-2024, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

This sounds more like an OpenGL issue than anything. Have you updated your vide card drivers recently?

No, I haven't.

David Watts · 03-28-2024, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Not sure if this would make a difference or not, but I'll throw it out there.

What do you have this set at?
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That is set the same as yours.

David Watts · 03-28-2024, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

That's odd.

Typically, the game generates/loads a facegen only the first time it needs to and thereafter it sits in a local cache. That's why if you swap the .fg file for a historical player, for example, it won't know it unless you proactively auto-refresh the face (en mass or just for that player via the player editor). It could be the uniforms too - anything loaded.

Nothing different this year about the fg files or how they are loaded in the game (that I am aware of, and I think I'd know as I track all that stuff).

If you created a fictional game, would there be an issue? No historical fg or uni to load? What if that fictional game included one current MLB player (with an fg file) imported into it so that you could compare one with an fg file to load versus others in the line-up that had only ficitonals?

Fictional league with fictional uniforms, results in zero strobe flash effect. Real players with fictional uniforms still results in strobe flash. Next test will be fictional players with real uniforms. Might not be able to do that till tomorrow.

David Watts · 03-29-2024, 08:19 AM

Another strange thing. So I created a random league and I chose the options for no facegens period. All the update/create facegen features were grayed out. Played a bunch of games last night with just the black head and shoulders with team emblem in the center. No problem. No strobe, so I was happy. I get up this morning and go to play a few games before I head to work and the facegens are back. I checked and the options for facegens were exactly like I set them, off. All the options to update and such were still grayed out. But, I now had facegens and of course strobe light flashes through the first trip through the order. Trashed the league.

Looks like I will have to go into settings and completely disable facegen.

Syd Thrift · 03-29-2024, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

Fictional league with fictional uniforms, results in zero strobe flash effect. Real players with fictional uniforms still results in strobe flash. Next test will be fictional players with real uniforms. Might not be able to do that till tomorrow.

I extremely doubt it's down to a fictional/"real" thing because as far as the game is concerned, by day 2 of your "real" league, historical or current year, it's for all intents and purposes fictional.

My guess is that it's a graphics card / OpenGL issue and you probably experience it more the longer your game is open and/or the longer you go between restarts on your PC. I have never seen flashing, by the way, and I did play with "real life" leagues a fair amount in the beta. I have accidentally left the game open a couple times and there's something in there that's creating a TSR situation because a couple of those times, it took forever to shut it down and then I had to restart (fortunately a warm boot was OK) to get allocated RAM back.

David Watts · 03-29-2024, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I extremely doubt it's down to a fictional/"real" thing because as far as the game is concerned, by day 2 of your "real" league, historical or current year, it's for all intents and purposes fictional.

My guess is that it's a graphics card / OpenGL issue and you probably experience it more the longer your game is open and/or the longer you go between restarts on your PC. I have never seen flashing, by the way, and I did play with "real life" leagues a fair amount in the beta. I have accidentally left the game open a couple times and there's something in there that's creating a TSR situation because a couple of those times, it took forever to shut it down and then I had to restart (fortunately a warm boot was OK) to get allocated RAM back.

I will update graphics card this evening and see if that helps.

David Watts · 03-29-2024, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I extremely doubt it's down to a fictional/"real" thing because as far as the game is concerned, by day 2 of your "real" league, historical or current year, it's for all intents and purposes fictional.

My guess is that it's a graphics card / OpenGL issue and you probably experience it more the longer your game is open and/or the longer you go between restarts on your PC. I have never seen flashing, by the way, and I did play with "real life" leagues a fair amount in the beta. I have accidentally left the game open a couple times and there's something in there that's creating a TSR situation because a couple of those times, it took forever to shut it down and then I had to restart (fortunately a warm boot was OK) to get allocated RAM back.

Still getting Strobe flash after doing graphics card.

Thing is, if I switch to Modern 3D the flash disappears. The minute I go back to 3 Classic it's like I'm back at a junior high party.

Syd Thrift · 03-29-2024, 06:51 PM

Hmm, maybe it’s the 3D Classic then because modern has been great for me too…

David Watts · 03-29-2024, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Hmm, maybe it’s the 3D Classic then because modern has been great for me too…

Yes, I can switch to Modern and everything is perfect, except for the fact that I can't use Modern 3D. I still play the game like a text sim. Short play by play/instant

David Watts · 03-29-2024, 08:50 PM

Okay, fingers crossed that I've found a very usable solution. It looks like if each time I start the game I select the option to update/generate all player pictures, the game quickly updates what needs to be updated and the strobe flash goes away. Really hoping this works. I could probably get used to not having facegen on when using real players, but it adds a lot to my enjoyment of my leagues. Fingers crossed.

David Watts · 03-31-2024, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

This sounds more like an OpenGL issue than anything. Have you updated your vide card drivers recently?

I think this may have been it. Friday night I thought I had updated my graphics card, but as usual when I try to do things like this it's a lot of bumbling and scuffling. Well, today I tried again and I now see how it works.

Good news is, I've now opened and closed the game several times and I'm not getting the strobe flash. I still get it when using away uniforms, but I've been turning them off for years due to the strobe, so that's no big deal at all.

Thanks for all the help. You too Syd.

Syd Thrift · 03-31-2024, 08:21 PM

Yeah FWIW I tried 3D classic briefly and didn't get any strobe lighting and I play with all fictional players with FaceGen. It reeeeeeally sounds to me like some weird interactions with your graphics card.

03-28-2024, 11:11 AM	#1
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,060 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Is there a solution I'm missing I watch games play out using the 3D classic screen. I'm having trouble with the Facegen Strobe blink with OOTP25 and it's different from past versions. What I'm talking about is, when I start a game, the first time through the lineup for both teams, the whole screen blinks with each new batter. I assume it's creating the facegen for each player. Now in the past, I could simply run update facegens prior to each season and the flash problem would go away. This year, I run update and it works for that session of game play, but if I close the game out for the night and start play the next morning, I'm back to the strobe screen experience. I haven't ever used away uniforms, as I've never been able to get rid of the strobe blink if they are enabled.. This has me contemplating not using facegen altogether. Thing is, I wonder if it's the facegens themselves or if its the game searching for the historical facegen. Just don't know? Hoping I'm missing something simple.

03-28-2024, 11:22 AM	#2
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,373	Not sure if this would make a difference or not, but I'll throw it out there. What do you have this set at? _ Attached Images

03-28-2024, 11:26 AM	#3
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,875	That's odd. Typically, the game generates/loads a facegen only the first time it needs to and thereafter it sits in a local cache. That's why if you swap the .fg file for a historical player, for example, it won't know it unless you proactively auto-refresh the face (en mass or just for that player via the player editor). It could be the uniforms too - anything loaded. Nothing different this year about the fg files or how they are loaded in the game (that I am aware of, and I think I'd know as I track all that stuff). If you created a fictional game, would there be an issue? No historical fg or uni to load? What if that fictional game included one current MLB player (with an fg file) imported into it so that you could compare one with an fg file to load versus others in the line-up that had only ficitonals? __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

03-28-2024, 11:54 AM	#5
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,833	This sounds more like an OpenGL issue than anything. Have you updated your vide card drivers recently? __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com Pre-Order Out of the Park Baseball 27! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

03-28-2024, 11:29 AM	#4
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,060 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I will have to check when I get home. I think the blink is being caused by the game creating the facegen. Once each teams entire lineup has hit the flashing will stop, until a relief pitcher enters or a pinch hitter. Oh, and when I'm watching an entire series, it won't do the flash after the first game, unless someone new is in lineup.

03-29-2024, 08:19 AM	#10
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,060 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Another strange thing. So I created a random league and I chose the options for no facegens period. All the update/create facegen features were grayed out. Played a bunch of games last night with just the black head and shoulders with team emblem in the center. No problem. No strobe, so I was happy. I get up this morning and go to play a few games before I head to work and the facegens are back. I checked and the options for facegens were exactly like I set them, off. All the options to update and such were still grayed out. But, I now had facegens and of course strobe light flashes through the first trip through the order. Trashed the league. Looks like I will have to go into settings and completely disable facegen.

03-29-2024, 08:50 PM	#16
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,060 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Okay, fingers crossed that I've found a very usable solution. It looks like if each time I start the game I select the option to update/generate all player pictures, the game quickly updates what needs to be updated and the strobe flash goes away. Really hoping this works. I could probably get used to not having facegen on when using real players, but it adds a lot to my enjoyment of my leagues. Fingers crossed.