You broke the game economy

[Carew29]

Combinator cards were bad idea, but they have continued to break the economy with new cards each week. Each season we wait half the year to get the BIG name legends, only to have those cards dwarfed by some "special" current player or these new 102 or 103 cards

Seriously, when this new Soto card beats ALL cards, the game turns into a joke. I have spent a decent amount of money to get a good team over this year, only to win 1 diamond early and now get stuck in Gold hell...Sad times that they broke their own game. Greed

On a positive note, it appeared the diamond cards were being corrected and some were even better than 100. Current players should not be 100, unless they are lights out and turn in epic stats (like Judge/Ohtani). 100 should be your cap and it makes zero sense why you go over 100 (other than Greed).

Not to condone gambling, but you should have a "wealthy players" section and a casual one for PT so those that still pay for the game can enjoy those weekly tournaments.

Lastly, for historical reasons, I may purchase the game again, but I'm out in regard to how you broke PT and I've been playing since the game's inception.

[rburgh]

And usually more than 1 in the Perfect level.


Thy do some or all of:
Tournaments
Perfect Drafts
Twitch drops
Live card revaluation speculation
Hoarding packs for crucial time periods (like now)


Most of them understand the rhythm of the game. For example, many FTP players don't rush to complete the live missions, since they know that when June rolls around most teams will have enough irons and bronzes to complete the live missions, And for another example, once the regular MLB season ends, it's a really good idea to make sure that you have every live card in your inventory. It may seem stupid to you, but I guarantee that there were more than a handful of players who had the vast majority of the PT Elite missions completed instantly from their card inventories.


The best players understand how to use the sliders on the team and player strategy pages.They can beat you even when thy have 10% less talent than you do, because they maximize what they have,


I'm still in the learning phase, but a post on the forums inspired me to start a new team on Thursday evening the 21st. Because I do understand the card shop, I was able to complete all the live missions that first evening. And that left me with a team that was able to win about 85% of its games, often earning 3 or 4 thousand PP's in a blowout win. By the time Sunday evening rolled around, I have a very good team ready for this week's rookie leagues. That team is, as I write this, 126-1. And it's a lot better right now than it was on Monday morning.


Monday I was out sick, so I started another team. That team has had quite a bit of pack luck, but so far this week I have earned and opened over 700 packs, so the fact that I have multiple elite cards already is surprising but not crazily so. My starting rotation is Schilling (pulled from a pack), Bullet Joe Rogan (earned from missions), 101 Warren Spahn (bought to complete a mission; I had to sell most of the live Diamond toppers from the live missions to buy him), Frank Tanana (earned from missions) and 98 Adonis Terry (pulled from a pack). The team in the field is PTE Cal Raleigh, Will Clark, Artie Wilson (bought along the way to getting Rogan), Ray Dandridge (pulled from a HD pack earned by completing one of the missions for Rogan), Graig Nettles (bought). Ted Williams (BBref missions), 92 Rickey Henderson, PTE Tatis Jr. (pulled from a perfect pack), and DH Gary Sheffield.


Again, I spent no money on either of these teams. I'll have a better 1B than Clark by the end of the week, and I already own PTE Brenton Doyle, who I pulled from a HD pack. My OF for the rookie league next week will be Rickey in LF, Doyle in CF, and Williams in RF; my IF will be Dandridge at 3rd, Tatis Jr. at SS, Wilson at 2nd, and a 1B TBD, with Raleigh catching and Sheffield as the DH.


So even though the teams I've been playing since March ar stuck in gold, I have found a way to have fun with the game when a lot of players have given up.

[bailey]

The OOTP Developments Team makes a great game and is very generous to the free player way, way more than most games of this type. I've been playing Perfect Team for 7 years now and I am still in the learning phase. If my team is not where I want it to be I blame myself for making stupid mistakes, not combinators! I dislike combinators and have never used one, but I think the mistakes I have made this year hurt far more. The biggest one which I am ashamed to admit is qualifying for PTCS 8 in the daily draft category and then waiting until the last minute to draft. When the last minute arrived, I sadly realized that the actual last minute was 60 minutes earlier.

[steamrollers]

Yes, combinators were a bad idea. A large majority believe that. I have talked a few times about how every year they jump the shark at some point. They just did it much earlier than normal this year with the "oh wait, we were just kidding because a 100 isn't a perfect card anymore" The sad part is they have just been so out of touch with the community this year further driving away people but at the end of the day they only care about the whales which is why they cater to them. As long as the whales keep pumping money in which they obviously are doing the rest of the community is just an afterthought. Sorry if anyone disagrees but it's just the fact of the matter.

[Carew29]

Originally Posted by steamrollers

Yes, combinators were a bad idea. A large majority believe that. I have talked a few times about how every year they jump the shark at some point. They just did it much earlier than normal this year with the "oh wait, we were just kidding because a 100 isn't a perfect card anymore" The sad part is they have just been so out of touch with the community this year further driving away people but at the end of the day they only care about the whales which is why they cater to them. As long as the whales keep pumping money in which they obviously are doing the rest of the community is just an afterthought. Sorry if anyone disagrees but it's just the fact of the matter.

Totally agree with you and don't believe anyone that wins in Diamond/Perfect past 2nd month of release that "claims" they don't spend money.

[Carew29]

"I'm still in the learning phase, but a post on the forums inspired me to start a new team on Thursday evening the 21st. "

Please enlighten me as to how you just started a new team? Do you mean created a new account? At this stage in the year, the entire PT is saturated with the same cards and only the whales with ALL 102 and 103 win. Would love to understand your perspective or how you accomplished what you mentioned in your post, as I do not enjoy this game anymore.

[Ty Cobb]

What breaks the PT economy every year is the hoarding of cards.

[rburgh]

I just saved an available license slot to avoid making my hobby a full-time job. A lot of us do that, usually starting the last team in June or July when you can do the live mission tree quickly by selling off a few of the toppers to finance further buying. My guy for that was Bob Welch, and it only cost about 500 PP to do the Level 1 Dodgers mission.


The team ended its Rookie league season with a record of 159 and 3 and has earned over 150,000 PP's. I expect to get a LOT more once the awards are factored in, since I had Derrek Lee and Gary Sheffield both hit 60 HR, Lee also won the triple crown, hitting over .400 with over 200 RBI. I have no delusions about this team making a run to the PeL, but I don't need to be #1 to have fun doing something like this in my leisure time.

[Carew29]

Originally Posted by rburgh

I just saved an available license slot to avoid making my hobby a full-time job. A lot of us do that, usually starting the last team in June or July when you can do the live mission tree quickly by selling off a few of the toppers to finance further buying. My guy for that was Bob Welch, and it only cost about 500 PP to do the Level 1 Dodgers mission.


The team ended its Rookie league season with a record of 159 and 3 and has earned over 150,000 PP's. I expect to get a LOT more once the awards are factored in, since I had Derrek Lee and Gary Sheffield both hit 60 HR, Lee also won the triple crown, hitting over .400 with over 200 RBI. I have no delusions about this team making a run to the PeL, but I don't need to be #1 to have fun doing something like this in my leisure time.

Thank you for your thoughts on this. The PT portion of the game is very broken if this is what people have to do to get ahead. Plus your posts proved my point that the current version of the game has many stuck in Gold Hell. Shame on the developers for allowing this...

[bailey]

Originally Posted by Carew29

Thank you for your thoughts on this. The PT portion of the game is very broken if this is what people have to do to get ahead. Plus your posts proved my point that the current version of the game has many stuck in Gold Hell. Shame on the developers for allowing this...

Sorry, only 40 people allowed in Perfect League and 360 in Diamond League at any one time. Shame, on those developers. Back in PT20, there was a flat pyramid. There were only 6 levels starting with iron as lowest and ending with over 80 "perfect" leagues. 80 leagues times 30 per league is 2400. Where are the top 2400 in PT today? I think #2400 would be somewhere in silver. Would you prefer they go back to that system?

[rburgh]

Sorry, only 40 people allowed in Perfect League and 360 in Diamond League at any one time. Shame, on those developers. Back in PT20, there was a flat pyramid. There were only 6 levels starting with iron as lowest and ending with over 80 "perfect" leagues. 80 leagues times 30 per league is 2400. Where are the top 2400 in PT today? I think #2400 would be somewhere in silver. Would you prefer they go back to that system?

I think most people would prefer the PT20 system, because they would have the illusion that they were one of the top players by getting to the PeL level and staying there. You're right about the level, there are 36 Gold leagues, 12 Diamond leagues, and 1 perfect league, for a total of 49 leagues or jut short of 1500 players. So for those managers who stay more or less continuously in the Gold level, they would be in the top half of PeL managers in the old "flat" game structure.


There are currently 547 leagues and 16,348 managers. So even for the current 7 levels, there would be 78 leagues per level. But there would be no way to find out who the "best" manager was in any given year. Well, maybe. I guess it would be possible to have PL400 consists of the 30 managers who, in the previous season, had been PL champions and had the most regular season wins in their league, PL401 the next 30 best records among PL champions, and so on, with PL 402 containing the remaining 20 champions and 10 randomly seeded teams. All other PL's would contain randomly seeded teams, as would all leagues at other levels.


At the end of the year, the team that had the most rings in PL400 would be the overall champion, with any tie broken by total seasons and, if necessary, total wins in PL400.

[muskiehunter99]

I think you've gone wrong somewhere to be stuck in Gold after playing all year and spending a decent amount of money. Weekly tournaments are difficult but shouldn't be completely out of reach, and dailies should absolutely be within your reach.

This my first full year playing PT so I don't have the past reference points that you do. I have put a lot of time in this year, but I am FTP and have: been in PeL multiple times; won multiple weekly tournaments; make PTCS in multiple categories each month; make PTMS; and hopefully will make PTWS (very much on the fringe right now).

Yes, I have taken advantage of twitch drops, some live speculation, I try to time packs somewhat, I try to anticipate missions (e.g., I was able to finish every PT Elite mission except for two as soon as they dropped, and also made a good amount of PT selling live duplicates that I held) and I play the max tournaments (both quick and daily/weekly) every day (not drafts though, which are even more advantageous for FTP). Many of these things take time and foresight, which is part of a simulation game.

Combinators aren't the problem - I have been using them as FTP since the beginning and outside of the Uber ones, they can be affordable, and with some good planning and usage, can actually benefit FTP players (especially when there are combi limits in place).

[ncap99]

Originally Posted by muskiehunter99

I think you've gone wrong somewhere to be stuck in Gold after playing all year and spending a decent amount of money. Weekly tournaments are difficult but shouldn't be completely out of reach, and dailies should absolutely be within your reach.

This my first full year playing PT so I don't have the past reference points that you do. I have put a lot of time in this year, but I am FTP and have: been in PeL multiple times; won multiple weekly tournaments; make PTCS in multiple categories each month; make PTMS; and hopefully will make PTWS (very much on the fringe right now).

Yes, I have taken advantage of twitch drops, some live speculation, I try to time packs somewhat, I try to anticipate missions (e.g., I was able to finish every PT Elite mission except for two as soon as they dropped, and also made a good amount of PT selling live duplicates that I held) and I play the max tournaments (both quick and daily/weekly) every day (not drafts though, which are even more advantageous for FTP). Many of these things take time and foresight, which is part of a simulation game.

Combinators aren't the problem - I have been using them as FTP since the beginning and outside of the Uber ones, they can be affordable, and with some good planning and usage, can actually benefit FTP players (especially when there are combi limits in place).

All really good points that I agree with completely. Spending money is a shortcut through much of the work you described, but doing the work will yield the same results. We've had FTP players win PeL (including last week). You absolutely do not need to spend a dime on this game to play at the highest level and that has been proven over and over again by multiple top players. But you can't expect to play this game casually, not spend a dime and still compete at the very top levels. Frankly if you could it would not be a very competitive or interesting game.

[quizkid]

You need spend 2 of 3 things to win in PT - Time, Money, or Knowledge.

Just one and you will not be in PeL let alone win it.

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by bailey

Sorry, only 40 people allowed in Perfect League and 360 in Diamond League at any one time. Shame, on those developers. Back in PT20, there was a flat pyramid. There were only 6 levels starting with iron as lowest and ending with over 80 "perfect" leagues. 80 leagues times 30 per league is 2400. Where are the top 2400 in PT today? I think #2400 would be somewhere in silver. Would you prefer they go back to that system?

I said this last year and almost got run out this forum. 99% sure this is my last laptop version I buy. I'm at a 1% chance I even buy the GO version. Coming to this forum is like running through a minefield of zombies. I have never seen a more hateful group of posters who say what they want with no repercussion & others get infractions against them..Gotta watch what you say & lay a bible at OOTP's feet

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by bailey

Sorry, only 40 people allowed in Perfect League and 360 in Diamond League at any one time. Shame, on those developers. Back in PT20, there was a flat pyramid. There were only 6 levels starting with iron as lowest and ending with over 80 "perfect" leagues. 80 leagues times 30 per league is 2400. Where are the top 2400 in PT today? I think #2400 would be somewhere in silver. Would you prefer they go back to that system?

They had to bc they lost so many users

[Chris Marquardt]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

They had to bc they lost so many users

PT21 had a much higher number of active users then PT20...

[pastorjoeboggs]

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

What breaks the PT economy every year is the hoarding of cards.

That and the refusal to put any kind of cap on card price in the shop. One of the PT Elite missions requires a diamond Jack Morris. Last 10 has been hovering around 200k. That's absurd. I pay pretty close attention, get the majority of the Twitch drops, speculate on lives and it would take me multiple weeks to get that amount. For one card that doesn't even complete the mission

If I want to complete the PT Elite missions, I would need close to 1 million PP.

There is no reason why there couldn't be a cost cap on Iron-Diamond cards. Something like a max asking price of 10x quick sell. That's gives plenty of benefit to the seller while keeping the FTP player interested and able to complete missions.

And you could leave the Perfect sales uncapped. Relatively easy fix...

[Hwilensky]

Or they throw up 90's theme packs for sale at 3k per pack, the odds are broken, multiple people buy these pack, get great pulls, over and over again, and thent hey pull the packs down, fix the odds and put the packs back up for 17K, to get 6 bronzes.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

Or they throw up 90's theme packs for sale at 3k per pack, the odds are broken, multiple people buy these pack, get great pulls, over and over again, and thent hey pull the packs down, fix the odds and put the packs back up for 17K, to get 6 bronzes.

I missed the 3k packs; they must not have been up for very long.