Historical Career Replays - Missing WWII Seasons

jdw · 09-02-2025, 05:07 PM

I'm trying to figure out how best to handle the Missing WWII Seasons of a player when running a career league and wanting to have him play.

Scenario: take someone like Ted Williams, Johnny Mize or Joe D and drop him as a rookie onto a 1970 team. I know how to do that within the game. I also know how to toggle the setting to allow them to play in missing seasons. The question is how to get the most realistic results for their missing 1943-45 season.

I know the setting for Recalc to do it based on 3 years. So 1943 would be based on 1942+1943+1944. I don't know how having two 0 seasons would impact that, and if it ends up as something realistic.

More than that, when you get to their 1944 season, it's surrounded by 0 seasons for 1943 & 1945. Wondering what the impact for that would be.

Hank Greeberg looks like an even more problematic one as his 1941 season was just 83 PA, 1942-44 were 0 seasons, and 1945 was a half season.

In the other direction, Musial is a little easier he had just one missing season, similar to Willie Mays if I did a run with one of them.

Have any of the historical gamers/experts have a method to get satisfactory results?

Just through having one of them, most likely Williams, in a 1970-1993 replay would be kind of a fun change of pace.

Thanks!

luckymann · 09-02-2025, 07:00 PM

I can't tell you which is best, especially for the alternate scenario you are proposing, but here's how Ted has gone during the war seasons in one of my saves using 1-year recalc. Currently at the 1945 ASB but gives you the bulk of the seasons in question.

Clearly the returns are diminishing with reducing input from the historical stats. So perhaps 3-year, which kind of makes sense given that's how many seasons he missed IRL.

LansdowneSt · 09-02-2025, 08:14 PM

In OOTP 25, this was the note from patch 81:

In historical games, adjusted recalc rules for players with missed seasons
If a player missed the season entirely, fielding recalc is not performed on them
If a player missed the entire range of the recalc, batting/pitching ratings will not be done ie. if using 3 year recalc, Ted Williams will have a recalc performed on him in 1943 using only his 1942 stats, he will not have a recalc done in 1944 since he has no stats in either season near there, and in 1945 the recalc would be performed using his 1946 season as the base. If using 5 year recalc, the recalc would be done all of the seasons as normal. If using 1 year recalc, none of those 3 seasons would have a recalc done on him

jdw · 09-02-2025, 11:57 PM

I forgot about the 5 year choice among Recalc. I don't recall that in OOTP19, and have zoned out of it in OOTP26.

So Real Ted's career was like this:

Y1 = 1939 (20)
Y2 = 1940 (21)
Y3 = 1941 (22)
Y4 = 1942 (23)
Y5 = 1943 (24) WWII - DNP
Y6 = 1944 (25) WWII - DNP
Y8 = 1945 (26) WWII - DNP
Y9 = 1946 (27)

I tend to prefer 3 Year Recalc with double the weight on the current year over 1 year recalc. So at the very least, his YR6 season could be adjusted to 5 Year Recalc to be based on 1942 & 1946. That would be 1975 if I pulled Ted in as a 1970 rookie. Joe D would be YR9 if I picked him, which would be 1978.

Ted's is probably more interesting with those 3 missing years, the Korea impact 2 in the 50s, and the regular injuries throughout the 1950s.

* * * * *

I had the other thread in this section about Neutralized Recalc, and whether the Positional Change issues have been corrected since OOTP19. Does anyone know?

Thanks!

LansdowneSt · 09-03-2025, 12:47 AM

In a straight Default Mode Historical Game begun in 1939 with changes to (my preferences): no coaching, no storylines, 3-year recalc, double weight on,... and for the purposes of this test RAH on and MSAH off. Here are Ted W and Hank G. Stopped the sim in '47. If you follow the logic of the change you can see how Ted is better for not having played a single game in '42 and Hank G is hurt by his poor and partial '41.

I saw the note on OOTP19 and fielding. I'd never heard that issue before. I don't see why Fielding would have been impacted with newts on back then. There is a Batting2.csv and a Pitching2.csv for newt stats for the game to pull but there are not two different fielding.csv files.

jdw · 09-03-2025, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

In a straight Default Mode Historical Game begun in 1939 with changes to (my preferences): no coaching, no storylines, 3-year recalc, double weight on,... and for the purposes of this test RAH on and MSAH off. Here are Ted W and Hank G. Stopped the sim in '47. If you follow the logic of the change you can see how Ted is better for not having played a single game in '42 and Hank G is hurt by his poor and partial '41.

Can you refresh my memory on what the RAH on and MSAH off setting mean?

It is odd that 1944 is the "best" in that run with a trio of 0 seasons making the recalc. :-)

Ted played in 1942, was off to the war in 1943-45. His 1943-45 in that SOM are subpar relative to his 1941-42. I 'm looking at the OPS+ column rather than focus on the BA/OBP/SLG as the League Run Environment was down down in the WAR years. Which is something that I wish wasn't happening to a 24-26 year old best hitter of all-time. Wish there was a way to get end up with something slightly more realistic for what you might expect out of that age range given what he did from the age of 20-23.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

I saw the note on OOTP19 and fielding. I'd never heard that issue before. I don't see why Fielding would have been impacted with newts on back then. There is a Batting2.csv and a Pitching2.csv for newt stats for the game to pull but there are not two different fielding.csv files.

Here was a recent thread where using Neutralized Stats in OOTP19 where causing problems:

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=363541

Defensive Ratings & Positions getting locked into what they were in the Import Season. In other words:

1. Rose & Perez not move positions

2. Someone like Grich getting locked into mediocre imported defensive rather than recalculating his defense across his career.

luckymann · 09-03-2025, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw

Can you refresh my memory on what the RAH on and MSAH off setting mean?

It is odd that 1944 is the "best" in that run with a trio of 0 seasons making the recalc. :-)

Ted played in 1942, was off to the war in 1943-45. His 1943-45 in that SOM are subpar relative to his 1941-42. I 'm looking at the OPS+ column rather than focus on the BA/OBP/SLG as the League Run Environment was down down in the WAR years. Which is something that I wish wasn't happening to a 24-26 year old best hitter of all-time. Wish there was a way to get end up with something slightly more realistic for what you might expect out of that age range given what he did from the age of 20-23.

Here was a recent thread where using Neutralized Stats in OOTP19 where causing problems:

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=363541

Defensive Ratings & Positions getting locked into what they were in the Import Season. In other words:

1. Rose & Perez not move positions

2. Someone like Grich getting locked into mediocre imported defensive rather than recalculating his defense across his career.

RAH = retire according to history

MSAH = miss seasons according to history

jdw · 09-03-2025, 06:46 PM

Looks like I might have to run some Neutralized Recal tests to see if the Positional Switch & Defensive Ratings update properly in OOTP26, Was hoping some knew.

pholmer · 09-06-2025, 08:36 AM

I have been playing a new Quickstart called Veeck 1943 Philadelphia Phillies Challenge. I'm really enjoying it. It begins in 1943 and I chose to manage the Yankees, as usual. When I went to the team roster I found Joe DiMaggio, Phil Rizzuto, Tommy Henrich, and several other players on the injured list, their names in red. Since I normally play with injuries off, I had never seen that before. The cause of their injuries listed - WW II. Check out the Quickstart, the premise is intriguing and it's fun to play.

09-02-2025, 05:07 PM	#1
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Historical Career Replays - Missing WWII Seasons I'm trying to figure out how best to handle the Missing WWII Seasons of a player when running a career league and wanting to have him play. Scenario: take someone like Ted Williams, Johnny Mize or Joe D and drop him as a rookie onto a 1970 team. I know how to do that within the game. I also know how to toggle the setting to allow them to play in missing seasons. The question is how to get the most realistic results for their missing 1943-45 season. I know the setting for Recalc to do it based on 3 years. So 1943 would be based on 1942+1943+1944. I don't know how having two 0 seasons would impact that, and if it ends up as something realistic. More than that, when you get to their 1944 season, it's surrounded by 0 seasons for 1943 & 1945. Wondering what the impact for that would be. Hank Greeberg looks like an even more problematic one as his 1941 season was just 83 PA, 1942-44 were 0 seasons, and 1945 was a half season. In the other direction, Musial is a little easier he had just one missing season, similar to Willie Mays if I did a run with one of them. Have any of the historical gamers/experts have a method to get satisfactory results? Just through having one of them, most likely Williams, in a 1970-1993 replay would be kind of a fun change of pace. Thanks!

09-02-2025, 07:00 PM	#2
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,405	I can't tell you which is best, especially for the alternate scenario you are proposing, but here's how Ted has gone during the war seasons in one of my saves using 1-year recalc. Currently at the 1945 ASB but gives you the bulk of the seasons in question. Clearly the returns are diminishing with reducing input from the historical stats. So perhaps 3-year, which kind of makes sense given that's how many seasons he missed IRL. Attached Images __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE GULF LEAGUE USBA

09-02-2025, 08:14 PM	#3
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,423	In OOTP 25, this was the note from patch 81: In historical games, adjusted recalc rules for players with missed seasons If a player missed the season entirely, fielding recalc is not performed on them If a player missed the entire range of the recalc, batting/pitching ratings will not be done ie. if using 3 year recalc, Ted Williams will have a recalc performed on him in 1943 using only his 1942 stats, he will not have a recalc done in 1944 since he has no stats in either season near there, and in 1945 the recalc would be performed using his 1946 season as the base. If using 5 year recalc, the recalc would be done all of the seasons as normal. If using 1 year recalc, none of those 3 seasons would have a recalc done on him __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

09-03-2025, 12:47 AM	#5
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,423	In a straight Default Mode Historical Game begun in 1939 with changes to (my preferences): no coaching, no storylines, 3-year recalc, double weight on,... and for the purposes of this test RAH on and MSAH off. Here are Ted W and Hank G. Stopped the sim in '47. If you follow the logic of the change you can see how Ted is better for not having played a single game in '42 and Hank G is hurt by his poor and partial '41. I saw the note on OOTP19 and fielding. I'd never heard that issue before. I don't see why Fielding would have been impacted with newts on back then. There is a Batting2.csv and a Pitching2.csv for newt stats for the game to pull but there are not two different fielding.csv files. Attached Images __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

09-06-2025, 08:36 AM	#9
pholmer Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 167	Injury Diagnosis: WW II I have been playing a new Quickstart called Veeck 1943 Philadelphia Phillies Challenge. I'm really enjoying it. It begins in 1943 and I chose to manage the Yankees, as usual. When I went to the team roster I found Joe DiMaggio, Phil Rizzuto, Tommy Henrich, and several other players on the injured list, their names in red. Since I normally play with injuries off, I had never seen that before. The cause of their injuries listed - WW II. Check out the Quickstart, the premise is intriguing and it's fun to play.

09-02-2025, 11:57 PM	#4
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	I forgot about the 5 year choice among Recalc. I don't recall that in OOTP19, and have zoned out of it in OOTP26. So Real Ted's career was like this: Y1 = 1939 (20) Y2 = 1940 (21) Y3 = 1941 (22) Y4 = 1942 (23) Y5 = 1943 (24) WWII - DNP Y6 = 1944 (25) WWII - DNP Y8 = 1945 (26) WWII - DNP Y9 = 1946 (27) I tend to prefer 3 Year Recalc with double the weight on the current year over 1 year recalc. So at the very least, his YR6 season could be adjusted to 5 Year Recalc to be based on 1942 & 1946. That would be 1975 if I pulled Ted in as a 1970 rookie. Joe D would be YR9 if I picked him, which would be 1978. Ted's is probably more interesting with those 3 missing years, the Korea impact 2 in the 50s, and the regular injuries throughout the 1950s. * * * * * I had the other thread in this section about Neutralized Recalc, and whether the Positional Change issues have been corrected since OOTP19. Does anyone know? Thanks!

09-03-2025, 06:46 PM	#8
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Looks like I might have to run some Neutralized Recal tests to see if the Positional Switch & Defensive Ratings update properly in OOTP26, Was hoping some knew.