Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

[Rainmaker]

Originally Posted by lebby20

This question is for Merkle, are there any plans to digitize the McWilliams collection through the HOF photo collection site? The listings are in the ABNER catalog for his images. Just curious to know what is there and if it will ever become available to anyone interested in purchasing prints. On the excel list of player transparencies/negatives a Jim Perry OAK 1975 is listed.

Hope I'm not butting in, but I have corresponded with the Hall of Fame and purchased a couple of the McWilliams prints, and am about to buy a few more -- at $25 bucks apiece for an 8x10, I am being picky. The contact at the Hall of Fame is John Horne, who is the Hall Coordinator of Rights & Reproductions: jhorne@baseballhall.org
I was emailed low-res images of the photos I was interested in, and acquired 1972 images of Bob Burda with the Red Sox and Don Leshnock with the Tigers and a 1975 Bob Jones with the Rangers, all 8x10 and am about to order one or two of Fred Valazquez with the Braves. But they are VERY specific that they are for personal use ONLY and I'm pretty sure I will burn in hell if I dared to post them anywhere in the OOTP universe.
But Horne said the following in a recent email: that they had contracted with an outside source to scan all of the McWilliams images with the intention of putting them on the Hall web site sometime in 2017.

[BklynJace]

Is there a link for the aforementioned Excel file listing the McWilliams transparencies/negatives? Couldn't find it Googling/poking around on HoF site. Thanks!

[Rainmaker]

Originally Posted by BklynJace

Is there a link for the aforementioned Excel file listing the McWilliams transparencies/negatives? Couldn't find it Googling/poking around on HoF site. Thanks!

Also acquired from John Horne.

[luvbblogos]

Thanks for the comment. I would love to see a 'community' of like-minded individuals. However it would not be allowed to violate any existing rules pertaining to 'copyrights' and 'ownership' and therein lies the problem. Is it permissable to share your 'custom creations' without the accompanying photos in it? Comments welcome! (5¢ a pack aka 'luvbblogos')

[rlumpkin1@tampabay.rr.com]

RALPH BRANCA Passed away this morning at age 90. photo from sporting news

[rlumpkin1@tampabay.rr.com]

Originally Posted by Merkle923

An extraordinary find in the Topps uploads today. Pinson with a team for whom he never played - his swan song in camp with the '76 Brewers

Nice to finally see Vada Pinson in a Brewers uni.

[Rainmaker]

These were the Tuesday Vault offerings, with the Pinson/Brewers images only two of six for the man who was thisclose to being worthy of Hall of Fame induction. Pinson, born in Memphis, raised in Oakland and named after his father, was regularly approached as a young player and asked if he spoke English.
As a rookie in Reds camp in 1958, he quietlyl went about his business, and coach Jimmie Dykes was convinced there was a language barrier. As the story was related in his SABR bio, Dykes spoke to him in gestures and broken English until Pinson finally said, "Mr. Dykes, if there is something you want me to do with my stance, please tell me." Dykes nearly fell over.
Among the other images is a pre-rookie of Dwight Siebler with the Phillies, who broke into the majors with the Twins. In spring with the Phils in 1962, he injured his elbow in his first spring game.



FOLDER KD
776-777 Rusty Staub; 778-779 Jose Tartabull; 780-781 Bob L. Miller; 782-783 Ken Silvestri; 784-787 Bruce Miller; 788-789 Dwight Siebler; 790-793 Sonny Siebert; 794-795 Larry Sherry; 796-799 Frank Baker; 800-801 Chuck Baker; 802-803 Doug Bair; 804-805 Bob Baillargeon (Phillies minor leaguer); 806-807 Bob Bailey; 808-809 Andy Messersmith; 810-815 Vada Pinson.

[dennis_keith]

Originally Posted by baseball-birthdays.com

Lew Burdette, 1950 New York Yankees, offered on eBay by seller bbcexchange

Lou Burdette extracted his revenge on the NY Yankees for trading him after he had pitched only two 1950 games in relief, in pinstripes. He went 3-0 against them as a Milwaukee Brave to win the 1957 World Series Most Valuable Player, pitching 3 Complete Games and 2 Shut Outs, including throwing a shut out in the decisive Game 7. Then in the twilight of his career the earned his 200th career victory as a California Angel, defeating the Yankees on July 22, 1966.

[Chickazoola]

I located a woodcut of Mike Drissel(l), who played for the 1885 St. Louis Brown Stockings. He was a member of the St. Louis Police Department and the woodcut appeared in a July 26, 1897 St. Louis Republic article that details his participation in a baseball game between the PD and Fire Department.

The article also features a woodcut of P. McKenna, who I believe may be Patrick McKenna, an 1877 St. Louis Brown Stockings one-gamer, who as per Peter Morris was a St. Louis Policeman.

[baseball-birthdays.com]

Charlie Osgood, 1944 Brooklyn Dodgers, born 90 years ago today. Then just 17 years old, his only major league appearance came on June 18 of that year when he relieved Ralph Branca (R.I.P.) in the second game of a doubleheader against the Phillies at Shibe Park. This image was found at Baseball Happenings and fills a slot on the UIN list.

***I now see that FatJack posted a version of this a while back... he still shows on the UIN list, though.

[Rainmaker]

Hope everyone is having a happy holiday. Mine has been particularly enjoyable because I have been working with a discovery that was hidden in plain sight: unchecklisted "Topps" images, more than 100 of them. And more than 2,000 upgrades!

I have been clearing clutter off my aging desktop computer when I re-discovered a folder I had forgotten about, labeled FLICKR. I opened it to realize there were more than 3,300 color and black-and-white images. What initially caught my eye, oddly enough, were some of the Fleer images that I had been trying to ID from several Lexibell files. So back in September, 2015, when the baseball-birthdays site shut down, I saved this folder along with as many Topps Vault checklists and folders as I could save. I did a good job of the latter, so my attention has been turned to them.

An aside – I have attempted to contact BB-birthdays at two different contact points, with no response.

But this past week, as I began taking another look at these images, oddly numbered in various combinations with the player's name, I realized that some 2,000 of them had as part of their number, a number that co-incided with Vault numbers – very early Vault numbers. And these photos were razor-sharp, clear and absent any of the yellowing that quickly overtook the negatives before they were put in the Topps Vault proper. They also were, without exception, larger sized, some quite a bit so.

Here are two examples. I have in no way re-touched any of these images.


CC351 Bill Stafford: Vault release and my Flickr find


This is AD840 Lou Johnson, Vault and Flickr

Carefully making sure the numbers matched, I deleted the remaining letters, dashes and numbers and restored the original Vault number to these Flickr images. Then I moved them into the Vault Folders and replaced them. It wound up being a random assortment, with no folder being 100 percent replaced. But then it became clear that many more Topps images remained in Flickr with no trace of their original Vault number. So in a very tedious process, I used the checklist saved on the Chop Country site to match images and found several hundred more early Vault photos in pristine color that I moved into the folders – Folders ABC, AC, BC, CA got a second large batch of upgrades.

And it turned out there were around 100 more apparent Topps images that have no apparent home. My gut is that these are the remains of some long-lost, deleted Vault folders that no one here has admitted to saving. Orphan images, some of them even have watermarks, but most are cut to the narrow size common to the earliest Vault releases. And it turns out that there Flickr folder numbers are sequential with only a couple of exceptions.

Anyone have a folder that this Lenny Green belongs in?


Just over 100 of the images are black-and-white, some going back early in the century. I have a hunch most of them were or are in various Lexibell files. At least they all have been named – accurately as far as I can tell. Around 200 of them are color images of a much more recent vintage, many used by Fleer and found in the Lexibell folders.

So here is where I am. (thanks for reading this far)

1) What do I do, what can I do, with these orphan images? I am putting together a checklist of them that I will post here soon. I will try to sort them out from recent or MLB official photos.

2) If you don't have the photoshop skills to restore the yellowed old Vault photos to their previous glory for your personal use, I will be happy to send you individual images that you want or need. I don't really have the capability of sending entire folders, but I will help collectors as best I can. Send me private messages or email me at tfproto13@gmail.com.

3) Is it kosher to post some of these images, since they cannot truly be documented as Topps Vault issues?

Sorry to be so wordy. This was complicated.

[Merkle923]

This more rightly belongs in the managers or coaches thread but I didn't want it to be lost, since it's something of a great white whale.

Salty Parker was a short-stay infielder with the '36 Tigers and then a major league coach for more than a decade and a half. When Wes Westrum quit as manager of the Mets with days to go in the 1967 season, Parker took over the post. But I knew of only three color images of him in a New York uniform (one Brace shot, and the Mets' two 1967 team pictures).

This one turned up - and if the pose is at all familiar, this is why - when the remaining production materials for the 1966-68 Dexter Press/Coke Premium sets were sold recently. They took a lot of photos and I'll be sharing a number of them after I get the negatives professionally printed. But I wanted to get this one out here now - rephotographed off the negative sitting on a light box - as a Happy Thanksgiving gesture.

[custard48]

Originally Posted by Merkle923

Salty Parker was a short-stay infielder with the '36 Tigers and then a major league coach for more than a decade and a half. When Wes Westrum quit as manager of the Mets with days to go in the 1967 season, Parker took over the post. But I knew of only three color images of him in a New York uniform (one Brace shot, and the Mets' two 1967 team pictures).

This one turned up - and if the pose is at all familiar, this is why - when the remaining production materials for the 1966-68 Dexter Press/Coke Premium sets were sold recently. They took a lot of photos and I'll be sharing a number of them after I get the negatives professionally printed. But I wanted to get this one out here now - rephotographed off the negative sitting on a light box - as a Happy Thanksgiving gesture.

Salty Parker -- re-colored (one version).

[Cusick]

Didn't have very good exemplars of Baillargeon, but think the two will suffice to show they match the Topps Vault photo KD 805 in the Phillies uniform.

Bob Baillargeon was on the Phillies' spring roster in 1963 and a Phillies' non-roster invitee in 1960. Following his baseball career, he became an auto kingpin in the Dallas area.

[keonleafs]

Originally Posted by Rainmaker

Hope everyone is having a happy holiday. Mine has been particularly enjoyable because I have been working with a discovery that was hidden in plain sight: unchecklisted "Topps" images, more than 100 of them. And more than 2,000 upgrades!

I have been clearing clutter off my aging desktop computer when I re-discovered a folder I had forgotten about, labeled FLICKR. I opened it to realize there were more than 3,300 color and black-and-white images. What initially caught my eye, oddly enough, were some of the Fleer images that I had been trying to ID from several Lexibell files. So back in September, 2015, when the baseball-birthdays site shut down, I saved this folder along with as many Topps Vault checklists and folders as I could save. I did a good job of the latter, so my attention has been turned to them.......

You should have labeled your folder BB Birthday's instead of Flickr. Credit John with all the super-work for restoring these pics!!

[Merkle923]

PS on Salty Parker - the photo pro I use for old and odd negatives (and this one is about 3-1/2 X 5-1/2) is excellent on fixing color. So when he's done with it I'll repost in the managers thread and mention here with other postings from the collection (they shot Jim Gentile and Joey Jay in Phils' camp, and at least a dozen other post worthy obscurities).

[custard48]

More red out.

[Rainmaker]

Originally Posted by keonleafs

You should have labeled your folder BB Birthday's instead of Flickr. Credit John with all the super-work for restoring these pics!!

Since I never got a response from him, I could only speculate, and these could easily have disappeared without a trace. Thanks for connecting the dots. I do wish I knew what long-gone folder the "orphan" cards belonged to.


Have them checklisted now, and including with some examples below.

[Rainmaker]

These are skip-numbered, as I kept the original designation that BB-Birthdays put on them. I might have missed a couple who are actually in the Vault, but keep in mind there were some 3,100 color images in the file.


Numbers 4 (Moret, reversed), 14 (Thomas), 28 (Gosger)

003-004 Rogelio Moret
012-015 George Thomas
016-021 Lenny Green
022-023 Billy Goodman
024-028 Jim Gosger
026 Gary Gentry (redundant number)
029 Phil Gagliano
032 Jay Ritchie
034-035 Frank Baumann
34 Bernie Smith (redundant number)
036 Lou Johnson

Number 36

067 Bobby Floyd
075 Darrell Brandon
094 Daryl Spencer (watermark)
095 Tom Nortion (watermark)
123 Ray Crone (watermark)
126-127 Tom Cheney
133 Jim Pendleton (watermark)
137 Carl Yastrzemski (watermark)
141 Charlie Grimm
142 Camilo Pascual
145 Humberto Robinson
146 Bob Boyd
148 Jim Archer
155 Marty Kutyna (watermark)
156 Mike Lum
177 Ray Jablonski (watermark)
178 Marshall Bridges
179 Daryl Spencer (watermark)
181 Jose Valdivielso (watermark)
183 Jim Hannan
184-185 Wally Moon
185 Charley Smith (redundant number)
193-194 Harry Chiti
199 Daryl Spencer (watermark)
203 Bob Bolin
204 Stan Musial
205 Billy O'Dell
209-212 Bill Mazeroski (all watermarked)

Number 211

213 Bobo Osborne
215 Jim Barbieri
215 om Cheney (redundant number)
219 Don Leppert
220 Willy Miranda
221 Willie Davis (watermark)
226 Pee Wee Reese
244 Del Ennis (watermark)
244 John Gabler (Brace?)
249 Jack Cullen
254 Don Hood
265 Jim Pendleton (watermark)
274 Harry Anderson
275 Mike Lum
276 Ed Sprague (Reds)
281-282 Earl Averill
283 Harry Anderson
286 Art Mahaffey
289 Johnny Bench
292 Harry Bright
292 Ray Scarborough (redundant number)
293 Vada Pinson
294 Ed Bailey
296 Jim Rooker
298 Andre Rodgers (watermark)
298 Bobby Abreu (watermark)
298 Bobby Shantz (MLB?)
301-302 Dallas Green
306 Marcelino Lopez (Phillies!)
306 Barry Zito (watermark, redundant number)
307 Smoky Burgess
310 Thronton Kipper
311 Pete Mikkelsen
312 Juan Pizarro
314 Al Oliver
329 Bill Sorrell
330 Bud Daley
331 Jack Baldschun
331 Ted Williams (redundant number)
338 Don Zimmer
339 Ken Holtzman
340 Bill Wight (MLB?)

[Chickazoola]

I've located a photo of Ed Fuller who pitched for the 1886 Washington Nationals. He later became founder and editor of the Hyattsville (MD) Independent. The photo appeared in the book Hyattsville by Andra Damron. https://books.google.ca/books/about/...er&redir_esc=y