2025 Detroit Tigers: AKA The Skubal Trade Watch Thread - Page 8

Cod · 07-01-2022, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

If they decide to re-start the re-build, I may have to just stop caring for a period of years for the first time in my 50 or so years of fandom.

Once the Miggy money is freed up, they'll be well positioned to continue what they've started. The ownership group really needs to look at shaking up the front office in my opinion, or at least force Avila's hand at finding new hitting coach(es) and coordinators.

CONN CHRIS · 07-02-2022, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cod

Once the Miggy money is freed up, they'll be well positioned to continue what they've started. The ownership group really needs to look at shaking up the front office in my opinion, or at least force Avila's hand at finding new hitting coach(es) and coordinators.

I agree. This is a group with great promise that has been snake bitten with injuries. It does not need to be blown up in my opinion.

Westheim · 07-04-2022, 03:49 PM

Where have you guys been hiding that Hill kid?

Cod · 07-04-2022, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

Where have you guys been hiding that Hill kid?

With all the rest of their talent, minor league pitching staffs. I'm glad to see they're starting to call a lot of these guys up now (Hill, Skubal, etc.). Their minor league pitching coaches and coordinators are doing something right.

CONN CHRIS · 07-07-2022, 02:12 PM

Dare I think / hope .... Nah, keep it on the down low.

cephasjames · 07-07-2022, 04:23 PM

Article on the Tigers official MLB page (https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/al-a...t-half-of-2022) makes it sound like Avila is not only not in selling mode come the trade deadline but might actually be in buy mode. Hmmm.

dsvitak · 07-07-2022, 07:34 PM

I really would have thought that Miggs would have a positive influence on Baez.

Baez needs to stop swinging for the fences, and, you know, actually put the ball in play.

Westheim · 07-08-2022, 07:50 AM

Only 16 players (and only seven living) have more career RBI than Miguel Cabrera...!

cephasjames · 07-08-2022, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

Only 16 players (and only seven living) have more career RBI than Miguel Cabrera...!

I predict he moves past Mel Ott this year.

Pelican · 07-09-2022, 02:12 PM

You gotta think, if Lou Gehrig had remained healthy, he would have obliterated that list, maybe 2,500 RBI? He was at the top of his game, when he started to decline in 1938, we now know due to ALS. Man, he was good. Give him three or four more years, and he would hold many career records. And to be fair, give Ted Williams back his missed war years overseas, and he would be strong second place. All to say it makes what Cabrera and Pujos have done more impressive; not less.

Westheim · 07-09-2022, 02:21 PM

Ted Williams missed his age 24-26 seasons. On average in his 20s, he drove in 125 runs per year; with another 375 RBI he's within sneezing distance of Babe Ruth.

Of course, not running into the fence at the 1950 All Star Game or not being drafted into the Korean War also would have helped...

CONN CHRIS · 07-09-2022, 05:23 PM

Well, 6 in a row was a great treat.

I don't know when or if Manning and ERod will be back in the rotation but this is not sustainable with minor league arms (see Hill's outing today as Exhibit A).

What a thrill those 6 games were though!

cephasjames · 07-09-2022, 08:38 PM

I'm still amazed at how well the pitching staff has done this year despite the number of pitchers they've gone through and despite the pitchers they've had throwing. They have definitely lost more games because of run-scoring rather than pitching.

CONN CHRIS · 07-13-2022, 08:58 AM

Very happy to see Baddoo come back from AAA last night. He drove in a run!

I can't recall a player that I have enjoyed watching play this much in a long time. Really hopes that he can stick for the long haul.

Cod · 07-13-2022, 04:24 PM

Good piece on MLBTR about the bullpen pieces Detroit may make available soon (if not already): https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/...e-jimenez.html

Personally, I disagree with MLBTR about Soto. The team control is very nice; however, I think he will get the biggest ROI going forward. They can likely package him with another player (or players) on bad or expiring contracts and get a decent haul. I played around with some ideas and came up with the following trade:

Anaheim receives: Fulmer (RP), Soto (RP), Schoop (2B), cash considerations
Detroit receives: Adell (OF), Guzman (IF), Paris (IF), Rengifo (2B)

Here me out. Anaheim gets a lot of bullpen help with one on expiring deal (Fulmer) and 3-more years of control over Soto (2025). With Schoop, they get an ultimate utility player for this year and next to help them through the injuries to Rendon and others.

In return, Detroit gets 4 players under control until at least 2026. Adell, who was once a top prospect, has already been optioned at least once and the outfield in Anaheim isn't getting any open spots soon the way the current OF is playing. Detroit also gets a lot of future infield help, some major league ready (Rengifo) and two that'll be ready in 2-3 years. I realize Paris and Guzman are in the Angels' top 20 prospects list, but the front office knows those guys won't be ready to compete quick enough to help Trout and Otani. I look forward to any criticism(s)

All this Detroit talk has me wanting to start a MLB sim in OOTP with them. I'm interested to see what I can do.

CONN CHRIS · 07-15-2022, 03:31 AM

Even I could be talked into liking that but I doubt there will be anything this skewed available out there. I just don't want to see any selling. This is a good group of players that we have watched them build for years - at least see what the group looks like off the IL in 2023 before blowing it all up again, please.

CONN CHRIS · 07-17-2022, 08:47 AM

Brutal stuff to watch

CONN CHRIS · 07-17-2022, 09:02 AM

Cisnero finally activated only to go straight to the bereavement list.

Funkhouser's rehab shut down due to 'discomfort' in the shoulder.

ERod still incommunicado.

cephasjames · 07-18-2022, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Cisnero finally activated only to go straight to the bereavement list.

Funkhouser's rehab shut down due to 'discomfort' in the shoulder.

ERod still incommunicado.

It's been a rough year to be a pitcher for the Tigers.

cephasjames · 07-18-2022, 08:47 AM

Tigers demote No. 1 pick Spencer Torkelson to Toledo

I fully support this. Based on how he's done this year, it appears that he wasn't quite ready to be up yet. He'll figure it out and I think he'll be a very good batter in the future but he's not there yet.

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07-07-2022, 02:12 PM	#145
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,999	Dare I think / hope .... Nah, keep it on the down low. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

07-07-2022, 04:23 PM	#146
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	Article on the Tigers official MLB page (https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/al-a...t-half-of-2022) makes it sound like Avila is not only not in selling mode come the trade deadline but might actually be in buy mode. Hmmm. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

07-08-2022, 07:50 AM	#148
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 13,616	Only 16 players (and only seven living) have more career RBI than Miguel Cabrera...! Attached Images __________________ Portland Raccoons, 92 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

07-09-2022, 02:21 PM	#151
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 13,616	Ted Williams missed his age 24-26 seasons. On average in his 20s, he drove in 125 runs per year; with another 375 RBI he's within sneezing distance of Babe Ruth. Of course, not running into the fence at the 1950 All Star Game or not being drafted into the Korean War also would have helped... __________________ Portland Raccoons, 92 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

07-07-2022, 07:34 PM	#147
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,317	I really would have thought that Miggs would have a positive influence on Baez. Baez needs to stop swinging for the fences, and, you know, actually put the ball in play.

07-09-2022, 02:12 PM	#150
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,929	You gotta think, if Lou Gehrig had remained healthy, he would have obliterated that list, maybe 2,500 RBI? He was at the top of his game, when he started to decline in 1938, we now know due to ALS. Man, he was good. Give him three or four more years, and he would hold many career records. And to be fair, give Ted Williams back his missed war years overseas, and he would be strong second place. All to say it makes what Cabrera and Pujos have done more impressive; not less.

07-09-2022, 05:23 PM	#152
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,999	Well, 6 in a row was a great treat. I don't know when or if Manning and ERod will be back in the rotation but this is not sustainable with minor league arms (see Hill's outing today as Exhibit A). What a thrill those 6 games were though! __________________ Check Out My Cards!

07-09-2022, 08:38 PM	#153
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	I'm still amazed at how well the pitching staff has done this year despite the number of pitchers they've gone through and despite the pitchers they've had throwing. They have definitely lost more games because of run-scoring rather than pitching. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

07-13-2022, 08:58 AM	#154
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,999	Very happy to see Baddoo come back from AAA last night. He drove in a run! I can't recall a player that I have enjoyed watching play this much in a long time. Really hopes that he can stick for the long haul. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

07-13-2022, 04:24 PM	#155
Cod All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,104	Good piece on MLBTR about the bullpen pieces Detroit may make available soon (if not already): https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/...e-jimenez.html Personally, I disagree with MLBTR about Soto. The team control is very nice; however, I think he will get the biggest ROI going forward. They can likely package him with another player (or players) on bad or expiring contracts and get a decent haul. I played around with some ideas and came up with the following trade: Anaheim receives: Fulmer (RP), Soto (RP), Schoop (2B), cash considerations Detroit receives: Adell (OF), Guzman (IF), Paris (IF), Rengifo (2B) Here me out. Anaheim gets a lot of bullpen help with one on expiring deal (Fulmer) and 3-more years of control over Soto (2025). With Schoop, they get an ultimate utility player for this year and next to help them through the injuries to Rendon and others. In return, Detroit gets 4 players under control until at least 2026. Adell, who was once a top prospect, has already been optioned at least once and the outfield in Anaheim isn't getting any open spots soon the way the current OF is playing. Detroit also gets a lot of future infield help, some major league ready (Rengifo) and two that'll be ready in 2-3 years. I realize Paris and Guzman are in the Angels' top 20 prospects list, but the front office knows those guys won't be ready to compete quick enough to help Trout and Otani. I look forward to any criticism(s) All this Detroit talk has me wanting to start a MLB sim in OOTP with them. I'm interested to see what I can do. Last edited by Cod; 07-13-2022 at 04:25 PM.

07-15-2022, 03:31 AM	#156
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,999	Even I could be talked into liking that but I doubt there will be anything this skewed available out there. I just don't want to see any selling. This is a good group of players that we have watched them build for years - at least see what the group looks like off the IL in 2023 before blowing it all up again, please. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

07-17-2022, 08:47 AM	#157
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,999	Brutal stuff to watch __________________ Check Out My Cards!

07-17-2022, 09:02 AM	#158
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,999	Cisnero finally activated only to go straight to the bereavement list. Funkhouser's rehab shut down due to 'discomfort' in the shoulder. ERod still incommunicado. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

07-18-2022, 08:47 AM	#160
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	Tigers demote No. 1 pick Spencer Torkelson to Toledo I fully support this. Based on how he's done this year, it appears that he wasn't quite ready to be up yet. He'll figure it out and I think he'll be a very good batter in the future but he's not there yet. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys