Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

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Foster Blackburn (who for reasons I have yet to figure out is identified as Charlie Blackburn) was a freshman pitcher with the University of Chicago squad in 1914, the year before he pitched for the Kansas City Federal League club in 1915. He is included in the 1914 Freshman Club team photo from the U. of C. 1915 Yearbook Cap and Gown (Vol. 20), available online in the U of C archives. He is in the upper right corner.

Photo Credit: University of Chicago Library

[Patsy Tebeau]

I think this is from just months or even weeks before his death but I could be wrong. I seen the date listed on it listed as 1902 in some sources and early 1903 in others.

[Patsy Tebeau]

Baseball History Daily included this photo labelled as Willie Sudhoff with the amateur Ben Winklers club in 1895.

https://baseballhistorydaily.com/201...illie-sudhoff/

[cinemaodyssey]

I have located an additional image of Merrill, as pictured with the 1882 Council Bluffs, Iowa baseball team. The team photo caption mentions his name as "Bob Merrill" but the 11/28/1882 edition of the Fort Wayne Daily News clearly indicates this is the major league player.

[brobby05]

Could someone tell me if there were Bill Voss Photos with the Brewers in the Topps Vault and if so, what are the numbers? Also, could someone tell me who these 2 guys are? The Rangers guy said Jackie Moore but he wasn't lefthanded.

Thanks,

BRobby05

[keonleafs]

Originally Posted by brobby05

Could someone tell me if there were Bill Voss Photos with the Brewers in the Topps Vault and if so, what are the numbers? Also, could someone tell me who these 2 guys are? The Rangers guy said Jackie Moore but he wasn't lefthanded.

Thanks,

BRobby05

Larry Staab INDIANS SpTr 70

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by brobby05

Could someone tell me if there were Bill Voss Photos with the Brewers in the Topps Vault and if so, what are the numbers? Also, could someone tell me who these 2 guys are? The Rangers guy said Jackie Moore but he wasn't lefthanded.

Thanks,

BRobby05

There is no record of Bill Voss with the Brewers or indeed any other team in the Chop Country Rico listings of the Topps Vault files.

[brobby05]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

There is no record of Bill Voss with the Brewers or indeed any other team in the Chop Country Rico listings of the Topps Vault files.

According to Baseball Reference Dot Com, he was with the Brewers in 1971 and the early part of 1972. Attached is a copy of the 1971 Topps card. I don't know about the vault photos that's one of the reasons why I asked about it as far as the vault photos are concerned.

Brobby05

[brobby05]

Originally Posted by keonleafs

Larry Staab INDIANS SpTr 70

According to Baseball Reference, he wasn't with the Tribe, that's why I asked OOTP. That's what had me confused.

Thanks,

BRobby05

[Patsy Tebeau]

EDIT: Just as I had suspected the image does not depict Hickman so I removed it from the BR Bullpen but the webmaster of Baseball Almanac did make some updates to the player's page and when asked he gave a vague answer as to where the information came from regarding the player's full name, DOB height weight and batting/throwing hands is still in question.

ANOTHER EDIT: Yep yep YEP!!! I emailed some pals from the committee and they said the same as cinemaodyssey thank you guys

[cinemaodyssey]

That is a modern image of someone with a filter to make it appear old. The hairstyle is a dead giveaway.

[Patsy Tebeau]

Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

That is a modern image of someone with a filter to make it appear old. The hairstyle is a dead giveaway.

This could certainly explain why the scratches look different if there was 2 different filters used perhaps! As someone who used to go on a lot of gory crime scene forums and image archives as an edgy teenager, random fake images from movies and stuff actually would slip in quite a bit, not even with malicious intent but sometimes through genuine error, but for obvious reason I won't post any links.

My email was responded to an hour or 2 ago by some members of the committee and they said the same thing so as for the image, we're good with that and it has been removed.... but do we have anything to go on for as to where the Baseball Almanac guy got all the biographical information from? If so it may be helpful in finding more on Hickman, but if not I will remove that all too. Here is the screenshot from Facebook btw as well as a link to Hickman's BA page so you can see for yourself: https://www.baseball-almanac.com/pla...hp?p=hickmer01

ANOTHER EDIT: Here is screenshots of my emails with BA from this morning. They didn't really provide much more to help than they did for Kevin last year.

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by brobby05

According to Baseball Reference, he wasn't with the Tribe, that's why I asked OOTP. That's what had me confused.

Thanks,

BRobby05

I covered the entire Larry Staab saga a decade ago. Takes me back…

(Although further discussion showed that I was wrong about the 1962 photo, but that's off-topic wrt 1970.)

[DeweyintheHall]

Originally Posted by brobby05

Could someone tell me if there were Bill Voss Photos with the Brewers in the Topps Vault and if so, what are the numbers? Also, could someone tell me who these 2 guys are? The Rangers guy said Jackie Moore but he wasn't lefthanded.

Thanks,

BRobby05

The Ranger looks like Jim Umbarger, who was a lefty.

[Patsy Tebeau]

This image was posted on here in 2022 by someone that said this is apparently Tug Thompson with a team called the Harriston Browns in the 1870s but I noticed his name is on the missing players list still. Can someone clarify this for me? Thanks again.

[Patsy Tebeau]

Originally Posted by Chickazoola

I located a photo of Joseph Parkinson "Tug" Thompson, a Canadian catcher who played briefly in the AA in 1882/1884.

He was a member of the Harriston Browns, and I found this great photo of the 1878 on the website for the Wellington, Ontario archives. He formed a battery with Bob Emslie. https://www.wellington.ca/en/discove...on-browns.aspx

Here is the original thread with the full team photo attached too

[cinemaodyssey]

Originally Posted by Patsy Tebeau

Here is the original thread with the full team photo attached too

You can be assured if Chickazoola has found a player he is truly found.

As to Hickman, since he lived in East St. Louis it makes it more difficult to find him in newspapers since those archives haven't been digitized and uploaded yet. But you never know what the future holds!

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by Patsy Tebeau

This image was posted on here in 2022 by someone that said this is apparently Tug Thompson with a team called the Harriston Browns in the 1870s but I noticed his name is on the missing players list still. Can someone clarify this for me? Thanks again.

I am not sure which version of the missing player list you're looking at, Patsy, but Thompson has not been included in the list linked in my signature line since Chickalooza discovered his image in 2022.

Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

You can be assured if Chickazoola has found a player he is truly found.

I'll second what Cinemaodyssey said. Chickalooza isn't just "someone." He is one of the foremost contributors to SABR's Biographical Research Committee and Pictorial History Committee. If he (or Cinemaodyssey, for that matter) says a player is found, that player is found.

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Originally Posted by Patsy Tebeau

This could certainly explain why the scratches look different if there was 2 different filters used perhaps! As someone who used to go on a lot of gory crime scene forums and image archives as an edgy teenager, random fake images from movies and stuff actually would slip in quite a bit, not even with malicious intent but sometimes through genuine error, but for obvious reason I won't post any links.

My email was responded to an hour or 2 ago by some members of the committee and they said the same thing so as for the image, we're good with that and it has been removed.... but do we have anything to go on for as to where the Baseball Almanac guy got all the biographical information from? If so it may be helpful in finding more on Hickman, but if not I will remove that all too. Here is the screenshot from Facebook btw as well as a link to Hickman's BA page so you can see for yourself: https://www.baseball-almanac.com/pla...hp?p=hickmer01

Ernie Hickman pitched for Vincennes in 1883.I found a note about him being relieved by McCauley (Al?), and the article specified that McCauley was a left-handed pitcher. But no handedness was specified for Hickman. This would sugget he was right-handed, IMO. I did some digging on Hickman in connection with his time with the St. Louis Browns Reserve club in 1884, before his time in Kansas City. I found no other references to which hand he pitched with anywhere else.

[Patsy Tebeau]

Originally Posted by tnfoto

I am not sure which version of the missing player list you're looking at, Patsy, but Thompson has not been included in the list linked in my signature line since Chickalooza discovered his image in 2022.



I'll second what Cinemaodyssey said. Chickalooza isn't just "someone." He is one of the foremost contributors to SABR's Biographical Research Committee and Pictorial History Committee. If he (or Cinemaodyssey, for that matter) says a player is found, that player is found.

In all honesty I would probably recognize their names if I heard them since I am in SABR as of last year but I really didn't interact too much with people outside of the 19th century and origins committee aside from in social media groups or people I just befriended along the way. Most of the work I have done has been for BR Bullpen (kinda it's own thing but still started off as SABRpedia though we have a number of non SABR members and I joined it before I was a SABR member myself too) and protoball with Bruce Allardice.

I believe one of the mentioned users is Justin McKinney maybee since I vaguely remember someone saying so last year but idk which one since we're all just usernames on here. I still know there are some very high up members on here though which is why I like using it for reference.

For the list I have I definitely downloaded it in 2024 and used it for reference but didn't really see any updates to it so I would just manually track which ones were discovered and posted on here when they would get posted but maybe it was an old version or something since that player was found in 2022 and I definitely added a bunch of correct images and guys that were discovered after the fact on here to the Bullpen pages and just marked off the ones that were found after that, but I just deleted it and downloaded the one directly from your signature and everything seems in place now.

I was in the process of making some publications for the committee and honestly my personal life just collapsed in 2024/2025 so my focus on them mostly just disappeared for a while from certain projects to either obsessively make small changes and adding photos of the current players to the Bullpen on days when I have no focus since it requires no thinking. or to just hyper fixate on some random issue that's completely unrelated and then I became too busy to keep up with them until now but I am in the process of working on them again. Obviously I don't claim to be a complete top of the pile expert especially given that I started off like reaaaaallly young with researching this stuff compared to most SABR members (I still haven't met one that doesn't have like 20 years on me so I want to be able to build up as much as I can to help and want to use that as a way to gain more knowledge starting earlier than most). I literally became an administrator on the Bullpen as a teenager and for a brief time was essentially talked to as if I was some grand thing by Bruce Allardice in the winter because of how much I added to the site in like a few weeks before I became busy with other stuff once again which I honestly don't feel like I deserve in the sense that I feel like I still have a long way to go and of course many of these are collaborative projects but the amount of stuff that I really "discovered" on my own is still small so I am going through and trying to find all and everything I find questionable or uncertain about, to not only learn for myself (which I have become quite decent at from what I was told from others) and also to ultimately preserve all this information since I literally have no other big interest in almost anything outside of these. Like... Actually for real.

Anyways, the fact that I'm trying and genuinely want to help is all I want to make clear and also I am trying to force myself to be less afraid to ask questions now which is why I will constantly be doing so whenever I feel like I need to.


Anyways, to continue with another question, George Popplein is listed as missing on the link I got from the signature but the document itself says 2022 (if I downloaded this wrong somehow please tell me) and I seen this image said to be him on a few sites. I think it's from an 1860-something team photo if I recall since I know for a fact I seen the full picture before but don't know where I did.