Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

[Disneyman87]

Anyone have luis polonia on the Mariners? He went to spring training with them in 1996.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Chickazoola

June 26, 1883 News of Cumberland County (Bridgeton, NJ)

"George Firth, the pitcher for the Millville Base Ball Club, will arrive this evening. He has been with from the Brooklyn team and will play our boys the months of July and August."

September 10, 1883 - same paper has note that Firth and Riley have signed with the August Flowers for rest of season.

As for John Firth, hadn't seen the early part of his career, but yes he was with Dayton through July 1884 alongside Wesley Blogg - who ended up jumping to Johnstown of the Iron and Oil League in late June along with Charlie Bohn also of the Daytons. I have a July 24, 1884 note from the Johnstown paper that has Firth in the lineup for Johnstown. The Johnstown club falls apart in August and Blogg ends up in Norfolk in late August and Firth was one of the players he enlisted.


Blogg played with Lowell way back in 1876, so undoubtedly Firth and him were old pals.

Also, that late 1884 Norfolk team is one of my white whales, since I am absolutely convinced that the Willis who was playing for them is the mysterious Willis who played for Washington and Kansas City earlier in the year

So, we know the George Firth was in Millville on August 14 and August 16, so possible that he went to Brooklyn for a spot start.

And John Firth in 1884 was with Dayton, Johnstown and Norfolk. But there is a gap from late July to early September where we can't place Firth. So can't prove or disprove at this point.

And now I can see why I hadn't found that previously. The News of Cumberland County is not where I start looking. d

What is interesting about that is that John Firth's record on Baseball-Reference includes a stint with Brooklyn in 1883. I know they have other mixups between the two Firths, but I wonder if there was something at one point that tied the Firth in 1883 with Brooklyn to the player who played that one MLB game the following season.

Thanks for the details. I'll incorporate them into my records.

[Merkle923]

Canadian-born star (and later coach) at Yale, and original New York Met with two of the odder records in franchise history: On the team that won just 40 times in 1962 he was the only pitcher with a winning record, and though he was a run-of-the-mill middle reliever he somehow won 8 and saved 4 more of the first 74 Met triumphs ever,

Career ended after '65 with the Astros and their Oklahoma City farm, but when the Expos became his country's first MLB team in 1969, he was signed to the active roster in September so he could earn a few weeks of service time necessary to get him a pension. He didn't make an appearance.

These are from that George Brace find; the folks are, well, his folks.

(Unrelated: the new Brace cache unearthed yet another shot of the formerly elusive Larry Foss of the '62 Mets. I added it on my previous post from a year ago: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...ostcount=37320

[tnfoto]

While not nearly as exciting as MacKenzie Expos images--with his parents, no less!--or a bonus Foss Brace session (thanks, Merkle!), here is the first Angels image I've seen of Frohwirth, pictured in 1996.

[sorcabul]

Originally Posted by bobb49

This is all I have on Kearney, it is a postcard photo taken by Mel Bailey....you can find Topps Vault pics of Barrios in a Giants uniform on this site as posted by Merkle, I believe....

colorized with AI

[Chickazoola]

not sure if this has been posted, but found a swell photo of 1901 Al Orth with a mustache in the September 28, 1901 Philadelphia Inquirer.

[Chickazoola]

now with photo!

[cinemaodyssey]

I found a nice playing-era woodcut for Woulfe which was printed in the 5/10/1884 edition of The Cincinnati Post. The paper also prints woodcuts of much of the rest of the team.

[Patsy Tebeau]

I saw this posted online listed as Harry Bemis with the source being The Plain Dealer but I don't know anything else about it.

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by Patsy Tebeau

I saw this posted online listed as Harry Bemis with the source being The Plain Dealer but I don't know anything else about it.

The Cleveland Leader published a composite image of the team on April 13, 1902, that includes that photo of Bemis with a mustache.

[cinemaodyssey]

I found a second image of formerly missing player Joe Weber, this time pictured with the amateur 1880 Eagle team in Toronto. This was printed in the 8/15/1903 edition of The Toronto Globe and Mail.

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by RUKen

The Cleveland Leader published a composite image of the team on April 13, 1902, that includes that photo of Bemis with a mustache.

In respect of the 2 very interesting posts of Harry Bemis. The date of the 1902 Cleveland composite in mid April indicates that the photo of Bemis with a mustache could originate from 1901 when he was with with Toronto. The 1902 image I have of Bemis comes from an alternate composite of 1902 where he is clean shaven. Additionally I am aware of two team photos of the 1902 Indians. One is of the team in their home white uniforms, the other in their dark blue road uniforms. In the home uniform image Bemis is again clean shaven located on the left of the middle row. In the road uniform image below I do not have confirmation where Bemis is located but I would speculate he is on the left of the bottom row. Irrespective note all the players are clean shaven and I suspect Bemis is included in the image. I would be most grateful if anyone has the identifications of the players shown in the road team photo.

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

In respect of the 2 very interesting posts of Harry Bemis. The date of the 1902 Cleveland composite in mid April indicates that the photo of Bemis with a mustache could originate from 1901 when he was with with Toronto. The 1902 image I have of Bemis comes from an alternate composite of 1902 where he is clean shaven. Additionally I am aware of two team photos of the 1902 Indians. One is of the team in their home white uniforms, the other in their dark blue road uniforms. In the home uniform image Bemis is again clean shaven located on the left of the middle row. In the road uniform image below I do not have confirmation where Bemis is located but I would speculate he is on the left of the bottom row. Irrespective note all the players are clean shaven and I suspect Bemis is included in the image. I would be most grateful if anyone has the identifications of the players shown in the road team photo.

The caption at the bottom of the composite states that the player photos were taken in New Orleans (where the Cleveland team was training that spring). The collars look very similar, except for being turned up or turned down, so I believe the players were all in the same uniform--a 1901 Cleveland home uniform. I've attached below an image from the Cleveland Press of March 31, 1902, of the players in this uniform while in New Orleans. Bemis is in the back row, and appears to have a mustache.

[Patsy Tebeau]

Originally Posted by RUKen

The caption at the bottom of the composite states that the player photos were taken in New Orleans (where the Cleveland team was training that spring). The collars look very similar, except for being turned up or turned down, so I believe the players were all in the same uniform--a 1901 Cleveland home uniform. I've attached below an image from the Cleveland Press of March 31, 1902, of the players in this uniform while in New Orleans. Bemis is in the back row, and appears to have a mustache.

It kind of looks like Dummy Taylor has a mustache too I never seen him with one before that's so cool!

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

I would be most grateful if anyone has the identifications of the players shown in the (1902) road team photo.

I believe that the photo of the Cleveland team in road uniforms was taken in September. I feel pretty strongly that Gus Dorner is in the back row, and he was only with the team at the end of the season. The players (and manager) are:

Back row (L-R): Addie Joss, Bill Bernhard, Earl Moore, Gus Dorner.
Middle row (L-R): Bill Bradley, Harry Bay, Charlie Hickman, possibly Peaches Graham, probably George Starnagle.
Bottom row (L-R): Harry Bemis, Jack McCarthy, Nap Lajoie, Bill Armour, Elmer Flick, John Gochnaur.

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by RUKen

I believe that the photo of the Cleveland team in road uniforms was taken in September. I feel pretty strongly that Gus Dorner is in the back row, and he was only with the team at the end of the season. The players (and manager) are:

Back row (L-R): Addie Joss, Bill Bernhard, Earl Moore, Gus Dorner.
Middle row (L-R): Bill Bradley, Harry Bay, Charlie Hickman, possibly Peaches Graham, probably George Starnagle.
Bottom row (L-R): Harry Bemis, Jack McCarthy, Nap Lajoie, Bill Armour, Elmer Flick, John Gochnaur.

Thank you for the identifications, and also the additional team photo you posted of the team from March during Spring Training and additionally for pointing out that the images used in the mid April composite were taken during Spring Training 1902.

[Patsy Tebeau]

Charlie Hodes in a uniform labelled as #2 from the 1871 Chicago White Stockings alternative team photo